Let's try greedy then.longweight wrote:There isn't anything shady about him he just wants to get a high price for his goods, that doesn't make him shady.
Thats one of the bigger problems on GH's marketplace though, people just make up there own prices and if your a new guy to the scene (like me) it's pretty hard to actually work out what stuff is worth... you tend to just go off the people with the highest post counts or who you see about and hope they wont rip you off...longweight wrote:There isn't anything shady about him he just wants to get a high price for his goods, that doesn't make him shady.
Then you've never read my thread from my subforum.longweight wrote:There isn't anything shady about him he just wants to get a high price for his goods, that doesn't make him shady.
Very well said.baldgye wrote:Thats one of the bigger problems on GH's marketplace though, people just make up there own prices and if your a new guy to the scene (like me) it's pretty hard to actually work out what stuff is worth... you tend to just go off the people with the highest post counts or who you see about and hope they wont rip you off...longweight wrote:There isn't anything shady about him he just wants to get a high price for his goods, that doesn't make him shady.
Being able to actually talk to the seller about there prices makes it so more open and you can then judge for your self if its worth whats being asked.
...simply saying "if you dont like it dont buy it" is overly aggressive and not helpful to anyone other than the people trying to sell things at jacked up prices
Agreed.fossala wrote:Very well said.baldgye wrote:Thats one of the bigger problems on GH's marketplace though, people just make up there own prices and if your a new guy to the scene (like me) it's pretty hard to actually work out what stuff is worth... you tend to just go off the people with the highest post counts or who you see about and hope they wont rip you off...
Being able to actually talk to the seller about there prices makes it so more open and you can then judge for your self if its worth whats being asked.
...simply saying "if you dont like it dont buy it" is overly aggressive and not helpful to anyone other than the people trying to sell things at jacked up prices
I agree, if the comments are about what the original price was and why the price is higher / lower then great, I have no issue with that.baldgye wrote:Thats one of the bigger problems on GH's marketplace though, people just make up there own prices and if your a new guy to the scene (like me) it's pretty hard to actually work out what stuff is worth... you tend to just go off the people with the highest post counts or who you see about and hope they wont rip you off...longweight wrote:There isn't anything shady about him he just wants to get a high price for his goods, that doesn't make him shady.
Being able to actually talk to the seller about there prices makes it so more open and you can then judge for your self if its worth whats being asked.
...simply saying "if you dont like it dont buy it" is overly aggressive and not helpful to anyone other than the people trying to sell things at jacked up prices
I don't think that I have ever visited your subforum.DanGWanG wrote:Then you've never read my thread from my subforum.longweight wrote:There isn't anything shady about him he just wants to get a high price for his goods, that doesn't make him shady.
PM sales is definitely where it goes down on GH.dirge wrote:Yeah I thought that cactux sales thread went a bit mental a bit quick. Just read through it and damn that went south fast.
The unfortunate thing is people reading these types of posts will be worried about posting anything. These aggressive sellers seem to go on such an offensive when questioned. That nobody, other than someone with a year in and who know's what's somethings worth will be able to assess the worth.
The result is a minority of people having an advantage over the buying and selling of items across the forums. That's just the public stuff, we all know on gh that pm's are where a lot of the trade activity goes on.
I think gh needs a 360 on this. Who suffers and who gains?
Made me reminisce about the good ol' days, when the community was a happy and fun place to be!Acanthophis wrote:Shame, there were Asian boobs and lots of weed.
Not a great combo per se, but breasts and weed work for me.
Cactux admittedly (I had tons of quotes from him) ripped off other CC traders and buyers. In addition, he decided to troll me by running post scripts that spammed my subforum. He destroyed his own reputation, and since then, he never came back to GH unless it was to rip people off. And when I tried to complain....well see, that's where we are now =)longweight wrote:I don't think that I have ever visited your subforum.DanGWanG wrote:Then you've never read my thread from my subforum.longweight wrote:There isn't anything shady about him he just wants to get a high price for his goods, that doesn't make him shady.
What is considered a fair usual market price? There are many things I feel that is overpriced by people that I feel people are deceived into paying but they are willing to so where does that stand? There hasn't been any bans on commenting on prices not sure where this came from but there has been warnings and deletion on posts that are offend the OPLimmy wrote: I don't have any problem people squandering away their money. However, I have serious concern about people being deceived. Many do not know if a price is above usual market price or not. People who are knowingly and willingly paying extra to get what they want would buy them even if prices are more than usual prices. They will buy them even if other members say they are expensive. Then, why ban commenting on prices? This whole threadcrapping fobia is just silly to me.
I completely agree on DanGWang's points on thread crapping ban. What is so wrong about expressing one's opinion on fair prices? I just don't get the downside of them, therefore I do not see the need for the ban on such comments.
You do not see any harm in it that does not mean others aren'tAcanthophis wrote:I've done that occasionally, not on GH, though.
I see no harm in it. If the seller does, not my poop.
I would be happy if someone craps in my sale threads :/
You really think this is the first time this topic has been discussed? I think I have been discussing this issue for a good 6 months now. In your thread on GH I have not had the chance to read as I have been quite busy personally but when it comes to that I try to becareful how I post as I reflect on the entire admin team so I want to make sure what I post is correct before moving. This does not mean that what you said is not being discussed.DanGWanG wrote:What I'm wondering is, why did it take my subtle threats of releasing information on people and banning me (and others) for you guys to step up and start discussing this topic? In my thread on GH, I barely got any communication from moderators and here we have 2 long replies and even some consideration of changing rules.
If GH moderators were adamant on listening to their community from the start, we wouldn't be here on another forum discussing rules.
That was not the only thing you were banned for. If you honestly think that is the ONLY thing then we can explain this further.DanGWanG wrote:Before I got banned, the thread that I got banned for promoted threadcrapping. As you (the GH moderators) clearly saw, there was no harm in it and the OP (myself) still got what I was looking for.
I still don't think cactux is a shady seller, he often makes trades, maybe some are in his favor sure, but in the end of the day if the other buyer/trader is willing then this comes back to the original point I made which was how do you determin what is a "fair price"DanGWanG wrote:Try to look for my thread in my subforum regarding Cactux. Oh wait, you can't find it? Not surprised, reaper deleted it even though I asked if we could keep it. Reaper has messaged me many times about cooling it with Cactux. See a correlation there?hashbaz wrote:Can you give an example of a shady seller that was protected?
I do. The correlation I see is that reaper protected Cactux, even though he was a shady seller.
I agree that people make up crazy prices, and some people that are against these high prices also made crazy prices also...baldgye wrote:Thats one of the bigger problems on GH's marketplace though, people just make up there own prices and if your a new guy to the scene (like me) it's pretty hard to actually work out what stuff is worth... you tend to just go off the people with the highest post counts or who you see about and hope they wont rip you off...longweight wrote:There isn't anything shady about him he just wants to get a high price for his goods, that doesn't make him shady.
Being able to actually talk to the seller about there prices makes it so more open and you can then judge for your self if its worth whats being asked.
...simply saying "if you dont like it dont buy it" is overly aggressive and not helpful to anyone other than the people trying to sell things at jacked up prices
You seem to have misunderstood me.tsangan wrote:I agree that people make up crazy prices, and some people that are against these high prices also made crazy prices also...baldgye wrote:Thats one of the bigger problems on GH's marketplace though, people just make up there own prices and if your a new guy to the scene (like me) it's pretty hard to actually work out what stuff is worth... you tend to just go off the people with the highest post counts or who you see about and hope they wont rip you off...longweight wrote:There isn't anything shady about him he just wants to get a high price for his goods, that doesn't make him shady.
Being able to actually talk to the seller about there prices makes it so more open and you can then judge for your self if its worth whats being asked.
...simply saying "if you dont like it dont buy it" is overly aggressive and not helpful to anyone other than the people trying to sell things at jacked up prices
Once again what is the medium we are comparing these prices to to figure out what is fair? All I hear is that we want fair prices in classifieds but where are these fair prices coming from?
Don't get me wrong I feel the same as you where I think a lot of the prices are overpriced but who am I to say its high when I see it selling not just on GH but on places like eBay also?
yeah I know, I've tried to use it and it's not really helped me all that muchlongweight wrote:There is the price check thread where people can check prices on items that they are thinking about purchasing.
Again, not my fucking poop!tsangan wrote:You do not see any harm in it that does not mean others aren'tAcanthophis wrote:I've done that occasionally, not on GH, though.
I see no harm in it. If the seller does, not my poop.
I would be happy if someone craps in my sale threads :/
what you're not offended by does not mean others are not.
Fair enough, it's the only place to ask at the moment and I also haven't had much luck in there.baldgye wrote:yeah I know, I've tried to use it and it's not really helped me all that muchlongweight wrote:There is the price check thread where people can check prices on items that they are thinking about purchasing.
Depends on what is said really. There are limits on what is socially acceptable, and I don't think the NBA should accept it. I think its wrong to pull in such an example. Or maybe it is, if we are competing against each other? However it's not a game where there's a winner or loser, its a community, self supporting. We should be helping each other. I'm not asking for a free ride here, or a handout. But if everyone pitches in their share we all come out a winner.Acanthophis wrote:why is that person stupid enough to take it this seriously? Isn't it their fault 'it' gets to them?
Another example is trashtalk in the NBA. It happens like all the time, and sometimes player lose their cool and react to it. But guess who the villain will be? Exactly, not the trashtalker, but the 'weak' "victim" who overreacted...
So you're only allowed to offend people you can beat up?dirge wrote:Depends on what is said really. There are limits on what is socially acceptable, and I don't think the NBA should accept it. I think its wrong to pull in such an example. Or maybe it is, if we are competing against each other? However it's not a game where there's a winner or loser, its a community, self supporting. We should be helping each other. I'm not asking for a free ride here, or a handout. But if everyone pitches in their share we all come out a winner.Acanthophis wrote:why is that person stupid enough to take it this seriously? Isn't it their fault 'it' gets to them?
Another example is trashtalk in the NBA. It happens like all the time, and sometimes player lose their cool and react to it. But guess who the villain will be? Exactly, not the trashtalker, but the 'weak' "victim" who overreacted...
Btw while I like Stephen Fry, I'd ask him to try his example off on me and if I took exception to what he said I'd kick his fucking face off.
It's funny that you would say that, because I recall us having a conversation when you asked me for current market pricing on some of your items. Then a day later, you posted the same questions in the 'What is my stuff worth' thread. Then a day after that, you listed all those items for significantly increased prices.tsangan wrote: What is considered a fair usual market price? There are many things I feel that is overpriced by people that I feel people are deceived into paying but they are willing to so where does that stand? There hasn't been any bans on commenting on prices not sure where this came from but there has been warnings and deletion on posts that are offend the OP
Sorry DanGWanG, you are banned from using this forum!tsangan wrote:There has been no thread crap ban so far, the only one close to that is demik and that was an ongoing issue with him and passionately expressing his opinions. Once again there has been no bans on people commenting on price, and those don't get moderated until the OP is asking for it.
So you are openly admitting that you do not nor have the time to adequately pay attention to the feedback from the forum you moderate.tsangan wrote: You really think this is the first time this topic has been discussed? I think I have been discussing this issue for a good 6 months now. In your thread on GH I have not had the chance to read as I have been quite busy personally but when it comes to that I try to becareful how I post as I reflect on the entire admin team so I want to make sure what I post is correct before moving. This does not mean that what you said is not being discussed.
I am posting on this thread because I was called an "shitty moderator" I will admit now that I think about it that it is immature for me to have this amount of pride when you stated that, and I will reflect on that.
Please do. Typically, when moderators apply a ban, there is more explanation. You (the moderators) applied a ban on me in the same degrading manner as you delete my posts. No warning, no suspension, no detailed notification. That is another improvement I'd like to suggest.tsangan wrote:That was not the only thing you were banned for. If you honestly think that is the ONLY thing then we can explain this further.
I see, so you side with reaper on this despite there being definitive proof of Cactux's exploits. No wonder you guys won't implement a ban list and continue to protect shady sellers. If you're not sure what else can be done, I'd suggest thoroughly reading through this thread and seeing what suggestions people have made. There are a lot of good points and could easily be implemented on GH if it weren't for all the moderation hesitation.tsangan wrote:I still don't think cactux is a shady seller, he often makes trades, maybe some are in his favor sure, but in the end of the day if the other buyer/trader is willing then this comes back to the original point I made which was how do you determin what is a "fair price"
You personally make lots of trade yourself, can you say you never made a trade that was in your favor? I think everyone has at one point or another to a certain extent, these are all personal views in the end. I don't think it's as black and white as you put it to be where for example Cactux is bad and you are good.
What I would consider shady is someone selling with information held away, if the item is sold/traded is the exact same one that is advertised then I am not sure what else can be done.
No one is sure? Ask mkawa, he called me mentally ill. it's incredibly offensive. If you guys really have no idea, I'd urge you to see how much of my feedback has actually been considered and integrated into the GH community despite getting positive feedback. I'd also urge you guys to look at how many people in this thread are considered ex-GHers for the same reasons I am upset about.rknize from GH thread wrote:The moderators discussed the issue with Dan for a long time over many days. No one is quite sure why he suddenly decided to go on this war path of GH moderation theory. While there is nothing wrong with discussion such topics, his language made it clear that he needed a little break. We are, of course, paying attention to the discussion over moderation in the classifieds section. The current policies are mostly carried over from the previous incarnation of the site and those policies reflected iMav's desires at the time.
Don't know exactly what Dan said. Doesn't matter, though.rknize wrote:[...], his language made it clear that he needed a little break.
Pretty much aced it.damorgue wrote:In a libertarian market economy, you have to accept that if there are constantly demand enough, and low enough supply, the price will increase as per the famous curve. Some are simply willing to pay when you aren't
I don't think most of the people who complain about the price in sales do so to keep potential unaware buyers from getting scammed. I think they do so because they aren't themselves wiling to pay that much. I'd venture a guess and state that in most of the cases when there are such complaints, the seller get several bids anyways because some are just willing to pay such hefty sums for the item in question. The buyers aren't getting scammed, they are aware of it and willing to pay such a large price tag knowing fully well that it is boosted by the skewed demand/supply.The people complaining are just the ones who wanted the item but doesn't want it bad enough to pay that much for it, and they vent their opinions in hopes that it will keep buyers away for the price to drop to the, according to them, acceptable level.
Yes, the item may have cost close to nothing to produce. Yes it may have cost less in the past. You may only be willing to pay that amount, but with a unregulated market, we have to accept that if there are people willing to pay more, we have to accept it and move on.
There may of course be exceptions where the person complaining actually wants to help the buyer and avoid people getting scammed.
Also, the question of allowing secret bids is a whole other matter as it is more of a "being able to stay anonymous" vs "risk that buyer inflates by fake bids". There are also most certainly cases where people do get a bit scammed, but I'd say that there are far less than the number of complaints would suggest.
Thanks. I honestly didn't expect anyone to read it.el2k wrote:Pretty much aced it.damorgue wrote:wall of text
no mate, what that over educated idiot is saying that he doesn't understand when people are giving him fair warning.baldgye wrote: So you're only allowed to offend people you can beat up?
