Let me explain the meaning of Tai-Hao...

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fohat
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22 Dec 2016, 16:14

Wodan wrote:
We're basically living in total peace ....
You might really like the Pinker book. It is a long and deep read, but very rewarding.

He lays out "historical forces" that have steered the arc of civilization toward peace, throughout human history and even before, but the current regressive right-wing movement in the Western world seems to be deliberately rejecting and countermanding all 5 of them.

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chzel

22 Dec 2016, 16:20

Thank you for this. It's great. Really puts things into perspective.

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Menuhin

22 Dec 2016, 16:50

Wodan wrote:
fohat wrote: It is as if a large number of people took a giant regressive step backwards since then.
http://www.fallen.io/ww2/
We're basically living in total peace ...

It's just that today's conflicts are under a magnifying glass ... and progress much slower, they are just so ... present.

Omaha beach took more American lifes in one day than the 13 years War on Terror in Afghanistan.
Have to check out the video.

I like Steven Pinker's classic work "The Language Instinct", but not necessary all his works.
I have to check out that book though.

For sure Afghanistan is now a peaceful land. I agree that the mainstream media are trying to depict the conflicts under a magnifying glass.
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But then these 'magnified' reports are quite convenient for them to push forward NATO's current strategies.
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Wodan
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22 Dec 2016, 17:04

German arms exports ... really?
I mean ... can you please start a new discussion if you must? This just comes across as the most desperate attempt to bash German arms exports out of nothing.

Can someone please link some global warming charts and a picture of Fukushima?

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Menuhin

22 Dec 2016, 17:34

Wodan wrote: German arms exports ... really?
I mean ... can you please start a new discussion if you must? This just comes across as the most desperate attempt to bash German arms exports out of nothing.

Can someone please link some global warming charts and a picture of Fukushima?
Totally relevant:
Mainstream media magnify current conflicts --> parliamentary debate and support of raising military expenses, and deployment and arm sales to regions related to these conflicts.

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Wodan
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22 Dec 2016, 17:38

Start a new thread if you really want to discuss that ...

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chzel

22 Dec 2016, 17:39

Why? Nothing is too off-topic!

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Wodan
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22 Dec 2016, 17:49

How can BMW make a 330i with a four cylinder engine?

These traitors should be shot and dragged behind said 330i ...

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Menuhin

22 Dec 2016, 18:22

Wodan wrote: How can BMW make a 330i with a four cylinder engine?

These traitors should be shot and dragged behind said 330i ...
Well, the earliest (original 2-doors) 3-series were all with 4-cylinder engines.
They have lots of torque indeed.

Not really a traitor of ... Bayern :evilgeek:
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citrojohn

22 Dec 2016, 18:45

It never seems right to me to have a 330i that's not 3 litres. Or an E220 that's not 2.2 litres. The trouble is, now it's possible to get different power levels from the same capacity it isn't really sustainable to stick to the old system, and the manufacturers don't care about consistency with the past. The BMW 745i has a lot to answer for!

One way round it would be to use the power - so a 200PS 3-series would be a 320, a 300PS S-class an S300. The problem with that is it makes the lower-powered BMWs sound like Mercedes vans...

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Wodan
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22 Dec 2016, 19:00

Well I have gotten over the creative use of the former engine displacement related number ...

But having not a single naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engine in the 3-series lineup really breaks my heart. The 330 engine use to be the heart of the BMW engine program. From the 130i to the 730i, this engine was available in every model and anyone who ever drove it has to agree that it was a piece of art. Check out the sound samples in this article:
http://www.spiegel.de/auto/fahrberichte ... 72464.html

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Muirium
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22 Dec 2016, 19:29

Cylinders? Pah! The best BMW engine was this one:

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Well, all right, the 003 was an unreliable beast but a groundbreaking one: the direct ancestor of every jet engine flying today. With technology like this in the air, and von Braun's rockets high above, you've got to wonder how differently things would have turned out if Germany had a competent commander in chief back then. Whatever else was going on, an engineering renaissance was underway in the 30s and 40s that still defines many technologies today.

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Menuhin

22 Dec 2016, 20:25

No rocket science, and it's a bit lame, here's the noise of world's first car built by Benz in Mannheim.
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Spoiler:

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Mr.Nobody

22 Dec 2016, 22:36

chzel wrote:
kbdfr wrote: Like in Peking on 4 June 1989?
What about Peking? That was just a misunderstanding...A small turmoil. No harm, no foul.
That's 27 years ago, in 1980s, I was nine when that happened, things really took off in recent 20 years, do you still judge England by what happened when the Iron lady was Prime minister of UK? In1950s U.S. had racial segregation, by 80s, Micheal Jackson became the King of pop, a national idol, and then one Afrian American became President of U.S. you see many things chould change as time elapses... Update your info and break the stereotypcial notion about Mainland China please.

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Mr.Nobody

22 Dec 2016, 22:40

kbdfr wrote:
Mr.Nobody wrote: […] In fact I got missunderstood a lot according to people's reaction. People asssume I had been expressing in a rather aggressive way. In fact I am typing in a rather relaxed mood.
Aha.
"bunch of losers"
"lunatics"
"retarded"
"despicable parochial separatists"
"moles and traitors"

Just out of curiosity: how does it look like when you're not "typing in a rather relaxed mood"?
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Like in Peking on 4 June 1989?
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Oh, I forgot, you will probably not know what happened there on that day.
According to you, it is better because such information would be "[…] deleted buy moderator manually for fear of inducing unneccessary trouble to the site. Otherwise you might incite a bitter debate […]"
How could one not be relaxed and joyfull typing on IBM Buckling Spring keyboard, it just makes me want to type more and faster... :lol:

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Mr.Nobody

22 Dec 2016, 22:47

chzel wrote: Why? Nothing is too off-topic!
Relax! that's exactly the funny part... maybe this thread could be moved to Off-topic subforum, I didn't know... otherwise I would have posted there at the first place. I am a newbie on DT. ;)

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Mr.Nobody

22 Dec 2016, 23:04

Since you guys mentioned automobiles...I wonder is this brand famous in Germany, it's just launched it's very first new Car here, and I've seen the car in person, well-balanced-rather-cleancut-design.love it, and the price is an utter surprise, really competitive pricing strategy, but this brand is completely a stranger to Chinese consumers...
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citrojohn

22 Dec 2016, 23:57

Mr.Nobody wrote: Since you guys mentioned automobiles...I wonder is this brand famous in Germany, it's just launched it's very first new Car here, and I've seen the car in person, well-balanced-rather-cleancut-design.love it, and the price is an utter surprise, really competitive pricing strategy, but this brand is completely a stranger to Chinese consumers...
Oooh, Borgward! Last I heard of them (assuming I'm remembering the right old brand) they were hoping to resurrect the brand with a super-luxury car. Looks like the financial situation has encouraged them to sell in China instead, or else they've got some Chinese investment. The original company was made bankrupt in 1961 and there were no Borgwards made from then until the modern rebirth (some were made under another name in South America).

If I may lapse into Oldcarthority...
Carl Borgward who founded the company was the ultimate automotive autocrat, which is saying something when you consider the competition includes Henry Ford, Louis Renault and most of the chief executives of British car companies. It was said that the Borgward Isabella coupe was designed because Frau Borgward wanted a Volkswagen Karmann-Ghia and Herr Borgward found it too embarrassing to have his wife driving around in someone else's car. It doesn't matter whether this is true or not; the fact that the story was so widely believed indicates how well it fits Borgward's character and behaviour. If it had been told about anyone else it would have been thought too implausible.

citrojohn

23 Dec 2016, 00:24

Oh, and...
Wodan wrote: Well I have gotten over the creative use of the former engine displacement related number ...

But having not a single naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engine in the 3-series lineup really breaks my heart. The 330 engine use to be the heart of the BMW engine program. From the 130i to the 730i, this engine was available in every model and anyone who ever drove it has to agree that it was a piece of art. Check out the sound samples in this article:
http://www.spiegel.de/auto/fahrberichte ... 72464.html
Yes - there's nothing quite so smooth and well-balanced as a straight-six, unless it's a V12. I never really felt the same about Jaguar after they lost their V12 - a totemic engine like BMW's six. By the comments on websites some Americans felt the same when Ford discontinued the last of the traditional body-on-frame RWD cars. But car manufacturers aren't interested in our romantic notions, any more than keyboard manufacturers are - you can have all the enthusiasts you want in the customer base, but it'll have no effect at all if the management aren't enthusiasts.
I wonder if our 1940s-50s counterparts missed the straight-eights like we do the sixes and V12s? Perhaps they had more confidence things were improving...

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Menuhin

23 Dec 2016, 00:58

This Borgward is just practically a new brand, but it reminds me of the story of Saab.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Auto ... bankruptcy

When General Motors and the Chinese struggled to get hold of the technologies of Saab. However, Saab held too many Swedish military technology secrets, both GM and the Swedish tried everything so that the Chinese could not easily acquire the knowledge they want.

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chzel

23 Dec 2016, 01:00

Mr.Nobody wrote: Update your info and break the stereotypcial notion about Mainland China please.
Ok, so let's update out info about China from a couple of news articles.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... cial-media
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china ... SKBN1441GK
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... tate-media
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-south ... SKBN1441DE

Blimey, they censor their population and threaten military action against Taiwan, and try to expand their territories a bit slyly!
Doesn't look so good...
But wait, these are capitalist controlled media. China can't be over-controlling and repressive, I mean at least people can invest in whatever they want, right?
http://english.gov.cn/policies/latest_r ... 852846.htm
Maybe not in unapproved projects...

Let's see how it does on the human rights front.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/c ... -and-tibet
The Chinese government tightly restricts freedom of expression through censorship and punishments.
...
In January 2015, Education Minister Yuan Guiren told universities to ban teaching materials that promote Western values and censor speech constituting “attack and slander against the Party.”
...
The government restricts religious practice to five officially recognized religions and only in officially approved religious premises.
...
China continues to allow United Nations rapporteurs to visit on a highly selective basis; the rapporteurs on the freedom of religion, freedom of peaceful assembly and association, human rights defenders, health, extrajudicial executions, independence of judges and lawyers, and the freedom from torture all continue to await a response to their requests to visit.
...
Shit...Looks even worse now...
And I'm sure Thatcher is an open sore in part of the British for various of her policies (Falklands and S.A. relations included), and no, we don't judge them by that, or the Germans for their Austrian Fuehrer, but we don't forget. We try to remember our past for things to look up to and things to avoid.

If I want to go to the central square and shout "Fuck this country and it's government" I can do it and live to tell the tale.
Can you?

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Mr.Nobody

23 Dec 2016, 03:33

chzel wrote:
Mr.Nobody wrote: Update your info and break the stereotypcial notion about Mainland China please.
Ok, so let's update out info about China from a couple of news articles.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... cial-media
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china ... SKBN1441GK
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... tate-media
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-south ... SKBN1441DE

Blimey, they censor their population and threaten military action against Taiwan, and try to expand their territories a bit slyly!
Doesn't look so good...
But wait, these are capitalist controlled media. China can't be over-controlling and repressive, I mean at least people can invest in whatever they want, right?
http://english.gov.cn/policies/latest_r ... 852846.htm
Maybe not in unapproved projects...

Let's see how it does on the human rights front.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/c ... -and-tibet
The Chinese government tightly restricts freedom of expression through censorship and punishments.
...
In January 2015, Education Minister Yuan Guiren told universities to ban teaching materials that promote Western values and censor speech constituting “attack and slander against the Party.”
...
The government restricts religious practice to five officially recognized religions and only in officially approved religious premises.
...
China continues to allow United Nations rapporteurs to visit on a highly selective basis; the rapporteurs on the freedom of religion, freedom of peaceful assembly and association, human rights defenders, health, extrajudicial executions, independence of judges and lawyers, and the freedom from torture all continue to await a response to their requests to visit.
...
Shit...Looks even worse now...
And I'm sure Thatcher is an open sore in part of the British for various of her policies (Falklands and S.A. relations included), and no, we don't judge them by that, or the Germans for their Austrian Fuehrer, but we don't forget. We try to remember our past for things to look up to and things to avoid.

If I want to go to the central square and shout "Fuck this country and it's government" I can do it and live to tell the tale.
Can you?
See the large picture, all in all it's for the general benefits of the majority of its people and the means the government is using is no worse than any other governments' at all. Internationally China's existence keeps the wolrd powers in balance, and at least Chinese goverment dosen't export unnecessary wars to other nations on the other side of the planet.

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All govenments have censorship of some sort otherwise why the guy founded wikileaks is now...well, everybody knows what happened to him.And all governments have anti money laundry, anti-spy etc. national security shit. News is full of all kinds of outrageous scandals of governments of all major nations. So what? launch a revolution to overthrow them? okay, how about start from your own country...

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It's true, western governments have learned their lessons and are indeed progressing, over here, we too, aren't we progressing? Things are getting better almost on a daily basis...I used to be an anarchist back in when I was at the age of early 20s, I hated the goverment and even the culture(just like all angry youth from all over the world), I decided to emmigrate...that's part of the reason of why I spent a lot of time and paid a lot effort on learning English...The materials you gethered to accuse Chinese goverment resembles what I did back then...

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Mr.Nobody

23 Dec 2016, 04:02

Thank you for providing the background info about Borward. It seems Borgward was completely bought out by FuTian auto in 2014, holding 100% shares, FuTian as far as I know has been focusing on minitruck minivan market, Obviously Futian wants to march into the luxrious automobile area by buying over the brand, tech and history of borgward.

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PollandAkuma

23 Dec 2016, 05:35

I prefer to think that Tai-Hao is 太好了 [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]


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y11971alex

23 Dec 2016, 05:39

And obviously, not every single government has refused to recant the error of the Great Leap Forward, the Hundred Blossom Movement, and the Cultural Revolution by refusing to issue any compensation whatsoever to aggrieved individuals and families.

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lot_lizard

23 Dec 2016, 06:38

I have spent upwards of 30 months of my adult life on Asian soil. Of that (approximations mind you) 15% is in India, 5% in Russia, 10% Japan, 20% Eastern Asia (not China), 15% Hong-Kong, and 35% in mainland China. To sum it up in one phrase, "cultural beliefs are just different" across the board. The entire continent has grown immensely in 20+ years, but they needed to grow MORE THAN immensely to catch up to the rest of the planet in terms human rights equality.

Each culture is SO different, but they share one common trait. They are in competition with each other, and everyone not them. It's not a bad trait necessarily (it forces you to take pride in yourselves), but it does create REAL boundaries with the planet. Every group has the right to their belief system, but no group should ever feel they have the right to impose those beliefs on others. The low hanging fruit for the nay-sayer will be that "riots, racial inequality, religious freedom, gender bias, sexual orientation, unprovoked military presence is in turmoil everywhere". That will always be true 15k years from now in the most democratic (assuming that is your measure of pinnacle) society anywhere... it's actually the point of democracy. This site is libertarian, and voicing opinions is what makes it the poster child of why oppression of ANY kind just doesn't work. The more rights people have, the more they gripe openly (the more entitled they feel).

But to suggest that Asia (anywhere on the continent really) is living at the same "open culture" level, or even close, to anywhere in the west (Europe and CONUS) is a bit of a stretch to me. I have many friends there, and value those relationships because they are great people. They love their country (we all do I believe... if not, WTF are you still doing there :lol:), but to compare wikileaks of ACTUAL government secrets with the blanket censorship of GENERAL information to citizens is a remarkable stretch at best. A government needs some level of "entitled information" about itself (even corporation's enjoy that luxury), but governments don't have the right to control the information not pertaining to "trade secrets" (aka... Big Brother).

Until a country goes through a real civil uprising, civil war, or multi-national war to overcome government oppression... well... it is oppressed by its own government or someone else's (at least all human history across planet earth tells us this). Mainland China has not gone through this since the birth of communism. In fact, the smart people I know there embrace it and are part of the party. Which is fine... to each their own... but please don't suggest it is an open society for all citizens. Comparing any communist society with one that is not is impossible. They are WILDLY different

EDIT: the point of this thread... I did confirm that 太豪 is as Mr. Nobody originally describes from trusted counterparts. It is the equivalent of "Bling Bling... you best love me for my 1%-ness".

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Techno Trousers
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23 Dec 2016, 14:45

/thread!

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Mr.Nobody

25 Dec 2016, 04:39

Thank you Lizard, there is an old saying in Chinese “读万卷书,行万里路” literal translation is "read ten thousand books and travel ten thousand miles" which is to encourage people to read more as you can and to explore the world in person as much as you can in order to understand others and yourself and life better. Travel is always a good thing. I had a journey 3 years ago to Dubai, before the journey I had been bombarded by media asserting "Muslims are brain-washed babarians and Dubai is a paradise on planet", after the journey, I know neither of the allegation is true.

BTW,Merry Christmas to all...as to truth,I am going to elaborate further...:D do you tell 5 years old kids that Santa Clause is not real? Of course he is not real and the kids will know that in due course, but is it necessary to tell them when they are 5 to deprive them of some imgination and expectation of childhood? The truth is truth, but the question is always " WHAT to expose to WHO and WHEN " Some truth is literally mental burden to those who don't want to know, and to those who do want to know they will know it anyway. When goverments cover up something to general public, sometimes there IS a conspiracy going on indeed but most of the time it is for no selfish or evil reason. Even an ordinary individual has secrets and skeleton in his closet, let alone huge organizations or goverments, is this so unacceptable?

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fohat
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25 Dec 2016, 15:30

Mr.Nobody wrote:
sometimes there IS a conspiracy going on indeed but most of the time it is for no selfish or evil reason.

huge organizations or goverments, is this so unacceptable?
It is ALWAYS for a selfish or evil reason, otherwise why hide it?

The US government was created as: "of the people, by the people, and for the people" and anyone preventing that from occurring is committing the ultimate act of treason, in my opinion. And in another opinion, I believe that violating the spirit of the law is as heinous as violating the letter of the law.

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Mr.Nobody

26 Dec 2016, 04:19

fohat wrote:
Mr.Nobody wrote:
sometimes there IS a conspiracy going on indeed but most of the time it is for no selfish or evil reason.

huge organizations or goverments, is this so unacceptable?
It is ALWAYS for a selfish or evil reason, otherwise why hide it?

The US government was created as: "of the people, by the people, and for the people" and anyone preventing that from occurring is committing the ultimate act of treason, in my opinion. And in another opinion, I believe that violating the spirit of the law is as heinous as violating the letter of the law.

Not neccessarily true... Most company keep the salaries of employees secret but not for selfish or evil reasons, in fact it's good for management and interpersonal relationships.

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