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New Cherry (Silver) "Speed Switches"? Thoughts or opinions?
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 08:07
by Ace
http://www.pcgamer.com/cherry-launches- ... ck-action/
Another Razer-esk fad, or a legitimate addition to Cherry's line-up? Share your thoughts and opinions below!
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 09:07
by Redmaus
I wonder if these will be good for faster typing? I doubt it will really improve gaming all that much.
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 09:23
by Khers
@Ace why 4 threads for the same thing?
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 09:56
by Elrick
Khers wrote: ↑@Ace why 4 threads for the same thing?
It's from Cherry Corp., the MOST widely used mechanical switch on the planet hence it needs MAXIMUM exposure, even on DT
.
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 14:08
by bhtooefr
Looks like it's a MX red with the actuation point moved up. Useful for gaming, may make typing harder (more accidental keystrokes) given the force curve.
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 14:39
by shreebles
Typing without mistakes on Reds is difficult enough as it is.
Not sure it's entirely an advantage for gaming. Reds are so light you bottom out when gaming anyways. So when you move the actuation point up, you also move the reset point higher! That means it takes longer to re-actuate a switch after you have bottomed out, making spamming a movement key more difficult.
It's all just dumb marketing I guess, and I will never understand Cherry. But I'm open to try it once it's available.
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 15:09
by KRKS
All skilled rhythm gamers I know replied more or less with "If you want shallow actuation, get scissor switches" and "just give me a consistent switch and I'll take care of the APM". On the other hand osu players are claiming that this is the next big thing besides 144Hz monitors. But that was to be expected since Razer is popular in there.
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 17:01
by Touch_It
I found it ironic they say faster click action, when it is a linear switch.
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 17:14
by seebart
Touch_It wrote: ↑I found it ironic they say faster click action, when it is a linear switch.
Marketing 101 for them.
Redmaus wrote: ↑I wonder if these will be good for faster typing? I doubt it will really improve gaming all that much.
No,
you need to be typing on these Redmaus
:
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 17:37
by c2lknt
Gaming switches just seem crazy to me. Are there such malnourished and frail gamers for whom 10cN difference is going to make the difference between extreme fatigue and super amazing long-session performance? Just seems like a switch for people who really want to bottom out every press, but somehow can't do that with reds.
I'm a guitarist, so I roll with greens/whites and I want something even firmer. Light switches make me, a skinny nerd in my 30s, want to go all drill sargent with some finger strengtheners. (..That's how much of a wuss I am: I don't even know how to spell sargent.)
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 17:57
by seebart
c2lknt wrote: ↑Gaming switches just seem crazy to me. Are there such malnourished and frail gamers for whom 10cN difference is going to make the difference between extreme fatigue and super amazing long-session performance? Just seems like a switch for people who really want to bottom out every press, but somehow can't do that with reds.
I'm a guitarist, so I roll with greens/whites and I want something even firmer. Light switches make me, a skinny nerd in my 30s, want to go all drill sargent with some finger strengtheners. (..That's how much of a wuss I am: I don't even know how to spell sargent.)
If you play guitar and like MX greens you're not a total wuss.
Gaming switches are all about marketing and Cherry got some strong competition by now. I barely use any "new" switches with the exception of Topre. I do own a Ducky Zero with MX blues that I've been trying to sell for years.
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 18:47
by cookie
Cherry under pressure, I've heard that MX switches have dropped a lot in quality and that Gaterons are taking over right now. The pictures looked very promising but I am not very fond of counterfeit products.
I think cherry is a bit late after Razer did this "marketing joke" a year ago... Now people have realized that it actually makes no difference.
Pictures like this look very tempting:
The cherry.... well not so much :/
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 19:08
by Chyros
Don't see how these could compete with linearised black Alps, which already have a high actuation point and which are much smoother than modern Cherry switches :p .
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 20:46
by cookie
Caps my friend, caps are the problems
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 21:57
by Redmaus
seebart wrote: ↑
No,
you need to be typing on these Redmaus
:
I have no problem with this
Also, shouldn't they just make some analog switches if they really want to market to the gamer community? I think it would work well.
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 22:23
by Chyros
cookie wrote: ↑Caps my friend, caps are the problems
Ugh, what do you want, dyesub PBTs? Doubleshot ABS caps? They can all be found in the Alps world no problem
.
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 22:26
by Khers
Can be found, yes. But not quite as easily as in the case of the world of Cherry, and no support for weird layouts (like the HHKB)
Re: New Cherry (Silver) "Speed Switches"? Thoughts or opinions?
Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 22:28
by cookie
ABS? No please god no. PBT? Ohh yes, blanks, even more yes!!!
Also I only type on 60% keyboards and I highly prefere the HHKB style shift/fn combination. I can't remember to ever saw such caps on an Alps board.
Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 00:55
by Redmaus
You can get an apple board with dyesubs easy in 60% just look at the alps party
Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 01:43
by emdude
If only there
was an Alps Party!!
I really want another GB...
Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 04:47
by E3E
cookie wrote: ↑ABS? No please god no. PBT? Ohh yes, blanks, even more yes!!!
Also I only type on 60% keyboards and I highly prefere the HHKB style shift/fn combination. I can't remember to ever saw such caps on an Alps board.
I have one. These are Alps SKCL Green.
You could find PBT caps that would fit an HHKB layout. You need either an old logo US-made Dell AT101 or SGI Granite for the ANSI portion, and an IBM 5140 for the short right shift, and you'd be right as rain.
For this one, I use grey doubleshots made by Alps that were on a Visual board (traded with sth) and the DCS mod pack that Badwrench hosted a while back.
Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 05:27
by Kurplop
Being a fan of short travel activation, I think that I would like the 1.2mm. Does anyone know what the total travel to bottoming out is?
Posted: 23 Apr 2016, 06:58
by Findecanor
Almost the first thing he tests here:
"Feels like Cherry MX Red"
Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 21:48
by Findecanor
A Corsair rep on another forum confirmed that they use the same springs as in Cherry MX Red.