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I arrived wanting ergonomic keyboard today because left arm and left shoulder soreness is long enough if this includes RSI This disease is actually quite a long time I had given him the drug but does not go away and I think if this is maybe RSI

Which I ask is the best ergonomic keyboard from most low price to most expensive?

Thank Before

lowest price is probably microsoft natural (rubberdome) keyboard, then a long period of pretty much nothing until high priced kinesis/maltron keyboards (there's also a ergonomic topre keyboard sold in japan, but i forgot the name).

i would probably buy a used mechanical ergonomic keyboard (if i had the money i would buy the split japanese topre keyboard and a l-trac trackball to sit in between the keyboard parts, but i don't... so... ). but before that you should probably think if you have other ergonomic problems on your desk that might do that to you.

f.e. it usually helps alot if you can switch positions alot while using your computer to avoid repititive motions that usually cause pain after a while (most "ergonomic" mice are ergonomic because you use them differently and do different motions than with a normal mouse, thus avoiding the stressed nerves - though other pains might come up unless you switch now and then)

now I use a regular mouse, not yet interested in moving to the trackball even though it was good,
I am now interested to keyboard.

maybe uTron very high price around $400
I prefer to separate like ergo not microsoft natural and not rubber dome expect TOPRE
What you ever exposed to RSI?

you apparently use trackball

i never had RSI (at least not so severe that i went to a doctor to got it diagnosed)

i use a logitech m570 with a ducky dk1087xm (green "alps") - i just wanted to try out thumb trackballs after my mouse broke (i had a logitech marble before the mouse).

i like it though it took me about a week to get used to it properly (using games to train accuracy and speed )

and yeah, utron was the name! it's really expensive though :s

i researched a little (about ergonomic stuff) because i actually wanted special peripherals which apparently aren't available anywhere or stupid expensive :/

The best:

They cost SIZEABLE $BANK but put you straight in a science fiction movie!

And the Topre:

dondy wrote:i never had RSI (at least not so severe that i went to a doctor to got it diagnosed)

i use a logitech m570 with a ducky dk1087xm (green "alps") - i just wanted to try out thumb trackballs after my mouse broke (i had a logitech marble before the mouse).

i like it though it took me about a week to get used to it properly (using games to train accuracy and speed )

and yeah, utron was the name! it's really expensive though :s

i researched a little (about ergonomic stuff) because i actually wanted special peripherals which apparently aren't available anywhere or stupid expensive :/

looks like fun
how does it work because he does not use the optic / laser and I've never tried before but I wanted to try the Logitech Trackman Marble
What games that you play?
whether you do not have a keyboard with Cherry mx,whereas you live in a country the cherry mx maker

how with gold touch,ergodox,and and other ergo keyboards

Muirium wrote:The best:

They cost SIZEABLE $BANK but put you straight in a science fiction movie!

And the Topre:

don't like Data Hand i prefer uTron with dvorak version

Ergo keyboards are one of those things where you really have to try it.

The DataHand looks awesome to me, and I'd love to play with one for a while. But who knows? Maybe I'd hate it!

Muirium wrote:Ergo keyboards are one of those things where you really have to try it.

The DataHand looks awesome to me, and I'd love to play with one for a while. But who knows? Maybe I'd hate it!

yes I want to try ergo keyboard, where do you think most good

The data hand indeed looks good but I still likes the feel of the keyboard with switches and not yet boring
maybe like webwit,which may have been bored with switch

heh, i think there's no best ergonomic keyboard. i didn't even think of the data hand and the like
i don't have a preferrence for any of those, either they're not mechanical or too expensive or both - but that might just be me because i'm a student

whether you do not have a keyboard with Cherry mx?,whereas you live in a country the cherry mx maker

I also student, but I know enough about the keyboard, although not having
your student in university or high school or other?

If your soreness is in your upper arm and shoulder, then I suggest that you first check your posture and see if there is something that you can do about that. Make sure that you vary your posture during the day also.
I also changed to using vertical mice because of soreness in my right wrist.

Working while standing up is a good thing to add to the mix. Everyone has different problems, so there are many changes to try.

Findecanor wrote:If your soreness is in your upper arm and shoulder, then I suggest that you first check your posture and see if there is something that you can do about that. Make sure that you vary your posture during the day also.
I also changed to using vertical mice because of soreness in my right wrist.

I soreness pain in the forearm and shoulder in left side

If you have issues with forearms and shoulder, check your posture first.

• MS Natural Keyboard Elite or Dell/LiteOn/Silitek SK-6000 (about $20) — both are decent RD-over-membrane (Maxi Switch on the SK-6000 feels a bit lighter) keyboards with fixed "3D" split layout (works great in case of tennis elbows)
• Goldtouch Adjustable Keyboard (about $100) — very light rubber dome, solid, compact, supports tenting
• TypeMatrix 2030 (about $100) — compact matrix layout, my favorite scissor switches, Dvorak&Colemak hardware support
• ErgoDox and key64 — DIY, split, matrix, fully mechanical, fully programmable (and open source!)
• Kinesis Advantage or possibly some Maltron — split, matrix, programmable, suitable for DIY

Muirium wrote:Working while standing up is a good thing to add to the mix. Everyone has different problems, so there are many changes to try.

Good Words

davkol wrote:(Maxi Switch on the SK-6000 feels a bit lighter)

Maxi Switch, you say?

davkol wrote:If you have issues with forearms and shoulder, check your posture first.

• MS Natural Keyboard Elite or Dell/LiteOn/Silitek SK-6000 (about $20) — both are decent RD-over-membrane (Maxi Switch on the SK-6000 feels a bit lighter) keyboards with fixed "3D" split layout (works great in case of tennis elbows)
• Goldtouch Adjustable Keyboard (about $100) — very light rubber dome, solid, compact, supports tenting
• TypeMatrix 2030 (about $100) — compact matrix layout, my favorite scissor switches, Dvorak&Colemak hardware support
• ErgoDox and key64 — DIY, split, matrix, fully mechanical, fully programmable (and open source!)
• Kinesis Advantage or possibly some Maltron — split, matrix, programmable, suitable for DIY

I want to try ergo keyboard maybe ergo dox or gold touch,gold touch is rubber dome i thik mechanic

but I also want to try the matrix looks like fun

thanks yoursuggestions

Have you seen your doctor?

Consider rest breaks, posture (as noted above), text expansion software (texter is a good start). Just changing your keyboard is unlikely to fix everything quickly.

Goldtouch is indeed rubberdome - but it's still worth a try. Form factor is pretty good, and it's really quiet (not that you asked about noise).

I'll suggesting skipping the typematrix.

Kinesis advantage is a great board - get one. Well worth the price.

Do you use your left arm for the mouse?

Beware though that there is an older version of the Goldtouch that has harder keys. It has no column of nav keys on the rightmost side.

http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/my-d ... t2534.html here is also a collection of some layouts (though he opts for a more regular looking design later).

hoggy wrote:Have you seen your doctor?

Consider rest breaks, posture (as noted above), text expansion software (texter is a good start). Just changing your keyboard is unlikely to fix everything quickly.

Goldtouch is indeed rubberdome - but it's still worth a try. Form factor is pretty good, and it's really quiet (not that you asked about noise).

I'll suggesting skipping the typematrix.

Kinesis advantage is a great board - get one. Well worth the price.

Do you use your left arm for the mouse?

Goltouch quite interesting,how rubber dome?
I want try typematrix because dvorak look like fun,unfortunately not mechanical
no Kinesis advantage but they ever made ergo keybaoard

Findecanor wrote:Beware though that there is an older version of the Goldtouch that has harder keys. It has no column of nav keys on the rightmost side.

i also doubt,maybe to typematrix 2020 more cheap

dondy wrote:http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/my-d ... t2534.html here is also a collection of some layouts (though he opts for a more regular looking design later).

looks unique,I'm less likes

whether does anyone ever use typematrix 2030, whether it is better than your previous keyboard

and what is the difference with typematrix 2020?

TM 2020 feels cheap and looks ugly. I mean, it isn't bad, but not really worth $60 + $50 shipping ($#@! you UPS). On the other hand, TM 2030 has some of the best scissor switches I've ever used, is more portable, supports Colemak etc. Differences in layout are obvious.

I also know, I just wanted to try it out before it really serious
I do not need Colemak,I just wanted to Dvorak and TM2020 support QD but unfortunately They using scissor switch regular like laptop maybe

but after I read herehttp://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/nothing-about-ergonomic-mechanical-keyboard-t288-30.html?hilit=typematrix TM not recommended

how with kinesis maxim or freestyle,whether good?

if there is a mechanical ergo keyboard with a slightly lower price#hope

ماء wrote:but after I read herehttp://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/nothing-about-ergonomic-mechanical-keyboard-t288-30.html?hilit=typematrix TM not recommended

Ummm... What?

I don't deny TM 2020 has its flaws, but good luck finding anything similar for $50 (if you're in the US). There're certainly more options at about $100, and TM 2030 is one them. There's even hardly any competition for it, when it comes to portability.