deskthority

Newcomer to DT but wanted to let y'all know about a project that I've been working on this weekend (and in the foreseeable future) http://Ergodox.io

After Ergodox.org seemed to go missing in action with no sign of making a comeback there were a couple threads that started cropping up on /r/mk so I decided to register Ergodox.io as a drop in replacement.

Obviously there's quite a bit more work to do on the site, but I encourage you all to open issues and submit pull requests for the site so we can get it back up to snuff for the folks who still prefer the original design over the Infinity.

Could you redesign it for computers, please. Not everyone here browses the web exclusively on mobile phones.

I am by no means, a front end guy but I'm not really sure what this means. Specific and constructive feedback is always welcome but just complaining about it isn't going to get anything done.

The website is poorly formatted for desktop viewing. The fonts are quite large, leading to an excessive amount of scrolling.

Many consider large fonts and "scroll fests" a nod to mobile device users.

robotmaxtron wrote: ↑[…] Specific and constructive feedback is always welcome but just complaining about it isn't going to get anything done.

Specific and constructive:
- Don't know why some lines end with a full stop while others don't.
- Please be sure to always add a space after a comma.
- The site reveals highly personal info about some persons. Did they give their permissions?

Complaining:
- Horrific design with a deplorable white space/info ratio.
- Plus: my usual rant.

kbdfr wrote: ↑- The site reveals highly personal info about some persons. Did they give their permissions?

No, it doesn't.

davkol wrote: ↑

kbdfr wrote: ↑- The site reveals highly personal info about some persons. Did they give their permissions?

No, it doesn't.

I see two real names added to forum user names.

kbdfr wrote: ↑

davkol wrote: ↑

kbdfr wrote: ↑- The site reveals highly personal info about some persons. Did they give their permissions?

No, it doesn't.

I see two real names added to forum user names.

The ErgoDox PCB reads:

Design by Dominic Beauchamp, based on the Key64 by Nestor A. Diaz

My The Frosty Flake PCB reads:

(c) 2014 Fredrik Atmer Bathroom Epiphanies Inc.

So much for highly personal info.

To be fair, bpiphany does put his name on every PCB he makes and their photos are all over the net, it's not like he hides it...
Regarding Dox, I have no idea.
Also the site scales awfully. In my 25" 2560x1440 monitor the text is HUGE.

edit:ninja'ed by davkol

kbdfr wrote: ↑[…] Specific and constructive:
[…]- The site reveals highly personal info about some persons. Did they give their permissions?

Emphasis added.
The rants were in the next section

no HTTPS?

Github pages does not support https when using a domain name, which is why that can't be implemented.

Personal information not only was part of the original pcb silkscreen, but also on the original Ergodox.org website. I'd point you to the website or even the cache were they both not disabled.

I've attempted to reach out to Dox on several occasions with no response. Since the information additionally is also in several other areas such as articles written about the keyboard and in the DT wiki, it doesn't seem necessary to omit any of this other information.

I hear y'all on the css and font sizes, it can be tweaked.

robotmaxtron wrote:Github pages does not support https when using a domain name, which is why that can't be implemented.

Personal information not only was part of the original pcb silkscreen, but also on the original Ergodox.org website. I'd point you to the website or even the cache were they both not disabled.

I've attempted to reach out to Dox on several occasions with no response. Since the information additionally is also in several other areas such as articles written about the keyboard and in the DT wiki, it doesn't seem necessary to omit any of this other information.

I hear y'all on the css and font sizes, it can be tweaked.

If you need hosting, pm me. Got enough server power.

kbdfr wrote: ↑

kbdfr wrote: ↑[…] Specific and constructive:
[…]- The site reveals highly personal info about some persons. Did they give their permissions?

Emphasis added.
The rants were in the next section

As long as it is not portrayed as an endorsement, I would say that the fact that their names are publicly known – either because they are on the board itself or stated in their public GitHub (or other public website) profile –, I’d say that’s safe to assume they’re OK with it and no privacy was breached.

Now **if** their names were used as if they were endorsing the website, that’d be a different story …

I love well-founded legal argumentation

Now the fact that people themselves write their name on items or websites does by no means give the right to anyone else to "assume" this means a general permission for others to publish them elsewhere.

There is always a good way to make sure: ask for permission.
Apart from the fact that it puts you on the safe side, it is a mark of respect and consideration.

kbdfr wrote: ↑ Now the fact that people themselves write their name on items or websites does by no means give the right to anyone else to "assume" this means a general permission for others to publish them elsewhere.
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I completely disagree, this is informational documentation and as such the creator should be credited. Permission is inherently provided when it was added to the code that's considered essentially public domain. This isn't something that as far as I'm concerned is even up for discussion.

SSL support was added via CloudFlare proxy, I have some insecure elements that I don't think will be too hard to correct. Still working to address some of the other css/font/scaling problems but they're not my top priority.

kbdfr wrote: ↑I love well-founded legal argumentation

As do I

disclaimer: TINLA IANYL and written over a short tea break

Now the fact that people themselves write their name on items or websites does by no means give the right to anyone else to "assume" this means a general permission for others to publish them elsewhere.

Yes, I would say that if your name is publicly associated with your pseudonym and both are publicly associated with your work, I see no legal requirement to ask for additional permission to associate. If that was the case, everyone and everything would have to ask everyone’s permission when they’re writing news, wikipedia entries or simply debating things.

Let’s look at this from the copyright PoV for now.

An author has the *right* to attribution. By default their full civil name is used, but hey can themselves decide to use a pseudonym instead (especially if their pseudonym is well known).

A work of authorship must be properly attributed, even in Free and Open licenses (let’s leave public domain aside for now) and it is customary to attribute the author in the way he presented his work himself.

Since Fredrik used his full names on his PCB, unless he states otherwise, the most appropriate way of attributing his work is using his full names.

À propos not attributing works, works without a known or reachable author/copyright holder are known as “orphan works” and are a massive PITA.

Now at least in jurisdictions that have moral rights, if Dominic or Fredrik would have under certain conditions the right of withdrawal where they could prevent further reproduction, distribution or representation in return for compensation paid to the distributor of the work for the damage done to him (e.g. in Dominic’s case this would be the droit de retrait et de repentir in Art. L121-4 in the French Code de la propriété intellectuelle).

There is always a good way to make sure: ask for permission.
Apart from the fact that it puts you on the safe side, it is a mark of respect and consideration.

I’m not arguing against this at all …this is very good form and I would advise to do that as well

Still, I wonder what your legal concern here is … apart from general niceties, which are by definition always nice

Thanks for the work you put into this site for the community.