US-made goods run the full spectrum of quality, good and bad. If you've only ever seen the bad, it might be because we're keeping the good mostly for ourselves.barkweed wrote: ↑Exactly; the goods designed/engineered in the US but manufactured elsewhere (i.e. Asia) are usually of (very) high quality. I'm talking about the crap (not all of it!) that actually gets manufactured in the US.blighty wrote: ↑US-produced goods being crap? Possible, but I rarely see any products that are actually produced in the US. Almost everything comes out of China or south-east Asia. US has been a consumer economy for the last 15 or 20 years thanks to cheap labor/products from overseas.
But I digress, and it's probably hyperbole. Sorry.
Round 5 and Round 6 kits for sale!
- Data
- Location: Orlando, FL
- Main keyboard: KUL ES-87
- Main mouse: Roccat Kone+
- Favorite switch: Cherry MX Brown
- DT Pro Member: -
- mashby
- Location: Nashville, TN USA
- Main keyboard: KBC Poker (MX-Black)
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Trackpad
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
My final update! Whew.
The following payments have been received for this group buy: zacjor1, jsoltren, Veebers
Has It Shipped?
If your payment came via PayPal, your invoice has been marked as shipped to keep them from locking up the PayPal account. Keep checking this thread for the actual ship date(s).
Additionally, note that the address on your Paypal notifications/notes are not necessarily the addresses 7bit will ship your order to, he ships to the address on your invoice.
Questions?
Either ask in this thread, or PM 7bit.
The following payments have been received for this group buy: zacjor1, jsoltren, Veebers
Has It Shipped?
If your payment came via PayPal, your invoice has been marked as shipped to keep them from locking up the PayPal account. Keep checking this thread for the actual ship date(s).
Additionally, note that the address on your Paypal notifications/notes are not necessarily the addresses 7bit will ship your order to, he ships to the address on your invoice.
Questions?
Either ask in this thread, or PM 7bit.
- nsz962
- Main keyboard: WASD Blue ISO TKL // Kinesis // GON ISO60 ErgoClrs
- Main mouse: Apple Trackpad // Mighty Mouse
- DT Pro Member: -
Though I don't want to derail the thread, it's already pages long so here goes... I think there are a bunch of things being mixed together here... My take:
* in the US you're more likely to find small operations especially for market niches like SP is filling.
* there aren't consistent quality control procedures or established processes for things like this.
* for these mom and pop shops under-engineering—in process, mechanical, software, electrical, whatever—is common (the customer is the guinea pig—been there a few times)
* you pay your money and you take your chances.
There's no TÜV for car parts here, and probably not even a relevant ISO standard for making keycaps and the like.
Then again even BMW under-engineers their products sometimes and they've also failed from time to time because they didn't verify the products from their own niche suppliers.
Comparing this to Apple products or GE jet engines for example is hugely silly. You can take it as a given that any company with the capability to make things overseas has to put processes in place to make sure they don't screw it up.
* in the US you're more likely to find small operations especially for market niches like SP is filling.
* there aren't consistent quality control procedures or established processes for things like this.
* for these mom and pop shops under-engineering—in process, mechanical, software, electrical, whatever—is common (the customer is the guinea pig—been there a few times)
* you pay your money and you take your chances.
There's no TÜV for car parts here, and probably not even a relevant ISO standard for making keycaps and the like.
Then again even BMW under-engineers their products sometimes and they've also failed from time to time because they didn't verify the products from their own niche suppliers.
Comparing this to Apple products or GE jet engines for example is hugely silly. You can take it as a given that any company with the capability to make things overseas has to put processes in place to make sure they don't screw it up.
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- Main keyboard: Phantom Custom
- Main mouse: RAT7
- Favorite switch: Panda Clear
- DT Pro Member: -
Yeah, even at 7bit buy levels, this is still a small, bespoke run of parts. There isn't the volume or margin to make it perfect *or else*. There's a reason why the far-eastern OEMs won't even pick up the phone for boards, plates, caps, or otherwise at enthusiast purchase numbers.
962--Isn't it funny we end up having the same manufacturing discussions in completely different circles and different forums? Maybe we can also start derailing threads by talking denim here...
962--Isn't it funny we end up having the same manufacturing discussions in completely different circles and different forums? Maybe we can also start derailing threads by talking denim here...
- nsz962
- Main keyboard: WASD Blue ISO TKL // Kinesis // GON ISO60 ErgoClrs
- Main mouse: Apple Trackpad // Mighty Mouse
- DT Pro Member: -
Holy shit, totally recognized your username... this is very very funny.spopepro wrote: ↑962--Isn't it funny we end up having the same manufacturing discussions in completely different circles and different forums? Maybe we can also start derailing threads by talking denim here...
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
IMPORTANT:
I need a new Google Wallet and PayPal money collector for 2015!
Until the end of this year, I would prefer someone who is located in the EU, because I need some funds here, too.
From 2015 on, preferably someone from the USA again, because we will have to pay for Round 5a, once Round 5 has been finished!
I need a new Google Wallet and PayPal money collector for 2015!
Until the end of this year, I would prefer someone who is located in the EU, because I need some funds here, too.
From 2015 on, preferably someone from the USA again, because we will have to pay for Round 5a, once Round 5 has been finished!
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
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- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
But they sent them to the wrong forum. It says right there: GREEK HACK!
The dates on those bags look interesting. You can see how long some of this stuff's been waiting. I spot June May frickin' February on one just there!
The dates on those bags look interesting. You can see how long some of this stuff's been waiting. I spot June May frickin' February on one just there!
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
I will send them back, right after Cheristmas!!!Muirium wrote: ↑But they sent them to the wrong forum. It says right there: GREEK HACK!
The dates on those bags look interesting. You can see how long some of this stuff's been waiting. I spot June May frickin' February on one just there!
I demand that they write DESKTHORITY on the boxes!
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
It's written on all the boxes and all the bags. As far as SP is concerned, You Are Geek Hack! Picture the power… you could bill them for Round 6!
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
"You must be new here." (I see this is also true.) SP's been making the same mistakes for a loooooooooooooooong time. More realistic to expect them fixed around the Round 5q-t timeframe.
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
They will be corrected in Round 5. These are about 80% of the order. The rest including remakes, will be delivered in January, or February, or maybe March, if not April, ...
- facetsesame
- Mad Dasher
- Location: UK
- Main keyboard: Ducky Legend
- Main mouse: CST L-Trac
- Favorite switch: MX red for linear, white for click
- DT Pro Member: 0092
Ahh, it's too good to be true! (About 80% so at least!)
I think we can forgive you if you don't get straight in to the sorting. The bot deserves a break too!
I think we can forgive you if you don't get straight in to the sorting. The bot deserves a break too!
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
I had forgotten to buy Zweckform 3420 stickers, so I can't print the kit labels!
But I will first sort them by family (standard, langauge, numeric, function, modifiers, fluff), so no need to print them during the next few days!
But I will first sort them by family (standard, langauge, numeric, function, modifiers, fluff), so no need to print them during the next few days!
- rindorbrot
- Location: Bavaria, Germany
- Main keyboard: Phantom, GON NerD 2.0 TKL
- Main mouse: Zowie ZA11
- Favorite switch: MX Ergo-Clear, Nixdorf Soft-Touch
- DT Pro Member: 0029
what a nice Christmas present! What's to combined weight of all those boxes?
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
- DT Pro Member: 0001
Yes.SL89 wrote: ↑7bit, are HONEYB shipping separately from HONEY leftovers?
Because I plan to run HONEYB as PMK-group buy, they will be delivrred before the rest of HONEY ...
Just count yourself!rindorbrot wrote: ↑ what a nice Christmas present! What's to combined weight of all those boxes?
It says on each box:
Weight: m Lbs
Number: n of 28
- rindorbrot
- Location: Bavaria, Germany
- Main keyboard: Phantom, GON NerD 2.0 TKL
- Main mouse: Zowie ZA11
- Favorite switch: MX Ergo-Clear, Nixdorf Soft-Touch
- DT Pro Member: 0029
but the picture is too low resolution, I can't see the numbers!