IC/Discussion on beige set

Muirium · 26 Mar 2014, 16:42

Can you talk them into sending you samples of their red dyesub on grey? Versus blue and another monochromatic shade, for instance…

Red is definitely the preferred colour for Cyrillic, and several of the nerddom caps. (EVA forever!)

matt3o · 26 Mar 2014, 16:57

Muirium wrote:Can you talk them into sending you samples of their red dyesub on grey? Versus blue and another monochromatic shade, for instance…

Red is definitely the preferred colour for Cyrillic, and several of the nerddom caps. (EVA forever!)

I'll definitely ask for some sublimation tests.

Omikron · 26 Mar 2014, 17:09

matt3o wrote:
Muirium wrote:Can you talk them into sending you samples of their red dyesub on grey? Versus blue and another monochromatic shade, for instance…

Red is definitely the preferred colour for Cyrillic, and several of the nerddom caps. (EVA forever!)
I'll definitely ask for some sublimation tests.

Please consider yellow and orange for Cyrillic test prints

matt3o · 26 Mar 2014, 17:12

yellow won't be really possible. Maybe orange.

Muirium · 26 Mar 2014, 17:13

A test is a test, you might be surprised. Throw in green if they'll let you, and maybe purple…

drrtyrokka · 26 Mar 2014, 17:51

yea throw me some green purple in, gonna light that up! :kidding:
purple will look great!

matt3o · 26 Mar 2014, 18:01

I asked for some print tests, indeed I'd like purple. Yellow would be barely visible, maaaaybe a dark orange.

matt3o · 26 Mar 2014, 18:41

flyer

Muirium · 26 Mar 2014, 18:48

Way to bury the lede: PBT ↄЎԄILГIC!

matt3o · 26 Mar 2014, 18:57

next might be: "fictional languages set" with Aurebesh, Klingon and Sindarin

Muirium · 26 Mar 2014, 19:03

Oh, sure, we're all done with real languages now…

Muirium · 26 Mar 2014, 19:17

By the way: the Cyrillic kit's left aligned legends won't go well with centred ones at all. It would be better off with its own full number row rather than depending on the common kit to fill the blanks. (Mocking up now.)

Here we go:

: Cyrillic Hybrid.png (129.12 KiB) Viewed 4396 times

Not as bad as it could be (which speaks volumes for Matteo's skilled taste) but imperfect nonetheless.

Jmneuv · 26 Mar 2014, 19:55

'bout time that blue enter showed up

Curetia · 26 Mar 2014, 20:06

Yeah and we need the blue enter as blue ISO enter too, is this possible?

matt3o · 26 Mar 2014, 20:06

Muirium wrote:It would be better off with its own full number row rather than depending on the common kit to fill the blanks. (Mocking up now.)

actually i did it on purpose, the base/common kit is mandatory.

Curetia wrote:Yeah and we need the blue enter as blue ISO enter too, is this possible?

nope, sorry

Muirium · 26 Mar 2014, 20:15

matt3o wrote:
Muirium wrote:It would be better off with its own full number row rather than depending on the common kit to fill the blanks. (Mocking up now.)
actually i did it on purpose, the base/common kit is mandatory.

I understand your motivation. I just dispute the results!

matt3o wrote:
Curetia wrote:Yeah and we need the blue enter as blue ISO enter too, is this possible?
nope, sorry

Same here. It'd be nice, but a real stretch. How much would it inflate the ISO Enter kit to throw one in for everyone, whether they like it or not?

pasph · 27 Mar 2014, 01:20

There isn't an 1,25u Enter (GH60 Max Keys)?

matt3o · 27 Mar 2014, 08:28

pasph wrote:There isn't an 1,25u Enter (GH60 Max Keys)?

ouch! too late...

Muirium · 27 Mar 2014, 09:55

When in doubt: Nerddom.

1.25u Amiga keys good enough for you? (Soon to be red!)

fifted · 27 Mar 2014, 15:09

Muirium wrote:When in doubt: Nerddom.

1.25u Amiga keys good enough for you? (Soon to be red!)

Oh no, lil' space invaders dude is gone! (No biggie, I just thought he was cute.)

matt3o · 27 Mar 2014, 15:10

yeah nerdom is not set yet anyway

Omikron · 27 Mar 2014, 15:41

Muirium wrote:By the way: the Cyrillic kit's left aligned legends won't go well with centred ones at all. It would be better off with its own full number row rather than depending on the common kit to fill the blanks. (Mocking up now.)

Here we go:

Cyrillic Hybrid.png
Not as bad as it could be (which speaks volumes for Matteo's skilled taste) but imperfect nonetheless.

It is every OCD person's nightmare

Muirium · 27 Mar 2014, 16:03

Indeed…

I'd keep the common numrow instead of getting the two alignments jumbled up like that.

Omikron · 27 Mar 2014, 16:15

Muirium wrote:Indeed…

I'd keep the common numrow instead of getting the two alignments jumbled up like that.

My exact thoughts. Cyrrilic should have it's own numrow with all legends aligned properly

matt3o What are the reasons behind this decision?

matt3o · 27 Mar 2014, 16:23

I'll try to do my best to make the cyrillic kit compatible with the other legends. I don't want people to get the Cyrillic instead of the base set because we need to reach high tier on the base set, sorry. The kit has been added at the very last moment, and I hadn't too much time to thing about it. All in all I believe you should be happy I've been able to sneak it into the Granite set because it wasn't planned.

Muirium · 27 Mar 2014, 16:25

I have a good way to keep people off the Cyrillic set: double its price! As long as the common kit is a great value, people will order it in droves. Only the crazy among us want the Cyrillic, and we'll naturally get both.

matt3o · 27 Mar 2014, 16:32

Muirium wrote:I have a good way to keep people off the Cyrillic set: double its price! As long as the common kit is a great value, people will order it in droves. Only the crazy among us want the Cyrillic, and we'll naturally get both.

Cyrillic I guess it will go around $20 as it is now. Adding all the common keys would make it $43 (at 25 tier which is already optimistic), doubling the price would mean $86. Really?

Omikron · 27 Mar 2014, 16:37

Muirium wrote:I have a good way to keep people off the Cyrillic set: double its price! As long as the common kit is a great value, people will order it in droves. Only the crazy among us want the Cyrillic, and we'll naturally get both.

That is discrimination

matt3o What makes you think Cyrillic set will be more popular or even close to basic set?

matt3o · 27 Mar 2014, 16:40

Omikron wrote:
Muirium wrote:I have a good way to keep people off the Cyrillic set: double its price! As long as the common kit is a great value, people will order it in droves. Only the crazy among us want the Cyrillic, and we'll naturally get both.
That is discrimination

matt3o What makes you think Cyrillic set will be more popular or even close to basic set?

it simply dilutes the buyers, because some might take it just for the "cool" factor. The alternative would be to remove the current cyrillic set and place it back in a more complete form only if we reach high tiers with the other sets.

Muirium · 27 Mar 2014, 16:47

That would be very smart indeed!

I expect it will have a higher price anyway, with more work to make it (two passes of dye sub) and less buyers for a volume discount.