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IZOT - Bulgarian Military Keyboard
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 04:29
by rsbseb
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 04:32
by rsbseb
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 09:49
by Chyros
Very nice keyboard! Never seen switches that've been SCREWED in before... And it dwarfs a battleship!
I'm very surprised it weighs "only" 3 kg tbh. It looks like it would be over 4 Oo .
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 10:45
by andrewjoy
That is nice , but quite strange. The construction methods are very high quality in some places ( screwed in switches, the connector being very expensive looking) to poor quality ( like LEDs just flapping about resistors sitting off the board etc.
The brown ICs are interesting , never seen that before, usually military stuff is all ceramic ICs
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 11:27
by rsbseb
You have to keep in mind that this is a piece of early 80's soviet technology. It's obvious that a lot recycled materials have been used. I'm curios as to why it has line feed and carriage return keys, and what the where is and circled x keys are for. The switches are really very nice and in practice would likely become my favorite. The LED's are very secure once they are seated into the cover. I haven't looked them up but I'm sure the chips are a clone of a common IC .
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 12:07
by andrewjoy
I had a quick look for the strange brown ICs, They are ROMs 226 "słów czterobitowych" witch i am guessing is 256k.
I think its pin compatible with the 63s140
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/dl/Scan ... 104157.pdf
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 20:38
by rsbseb
I just realized during reassembly that the holes for the cable mount are brass inserts as well. The center plate in the cover is metal, keyboard is built like a tank
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 21:31
by flabbergast
andrewjoy wrote: ↑... "słów czterobitowych"
This literally means "four-bit words" in Polish.
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 21:35
by andrewjoy
so its a 4bit rom ( as in it talks in 4 bits) but with 256k if i am understanding it ?
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 21:42
by flabbergast
I guess I found the same forum as you
The way I understand that sentence is that it's really 256 x 4bits = 128 bytes. (Not that I really speak Polish, but close enough.) Given how old it is, it's quite a good size.
EDIT: You should search for "KR556RT4" - you know "P" in Cyrillic is Latin "R".
Posted: 12 Oct 2015, 21:50
by andrewjoy
Ahh yeh , all them silly alphabets screw you sometimes!
I mean you would think Russia only switched to the Gregorian calendar in the 20th century...... oh wait.
Posted: 13 Oct 2015, 20:43
by terrycherry
Strange and rare switch I never seen before. What is feel like? Could you typing it for video?
Hope to see you assemble the switch.
Posted: 13 Oct 2015, 21:55
by rsbseb
I am not much of a typist but could probably get my wife to type out a few lines for a vid. I don't plan on opening any switches for a while but when I do I will share more pictures for sure.
As for the switches they are linear with about 4.5mm travel. The number pad has stiffer springs than the rest of the keyboard and are a little bit to stiff for my liking but the others feel very nice in my opinion
Posted: 13 Oct 2015, 22:18
by Muirium
They strike me externally as, if not clones then surely inspired by [wiki]Cherry M5[/wiki]. But magnetic reed is quite different from what Cherry was doing, of course.
The inevitable question: are the caps MX compatible? And vice versa?
I've seen metal stab inserts on IBM beamsprings. Perhaps ABS was harder to work with back in those days. And I've seen cases as full of empty air as that one. My
Honeywell feels surprisingly light, too. But its nasty, flimsy case just wants unclipped so you can enjoy the Micro Switch PCB in all its glory. This keyboard is better matched.
LF linefeed and CR carriage return were often different on old boards. Again, the Honeywell:
Wikipedia explains the difference. It all boils down to printers! Real system output, before all these fancy glass terminals…
Posted: 15 Oct 2015, 02:17
by terrycherry
rsbseb wrote: ↑I am not much of a typist but could probably get my wife to type out a few lines for a vid. I don't plan on opening any switches for a while but when I do I will share more pictures for sure.
As for the switches they are linear with about 4.5mm travel. The number pad has stiffer springs than the rest of the keyboard and are a little bit to stiff for my liking but the others feel very nice in my opinion
That's good to see the video typing of rare keyboard.
I can see your keyboard have 4 different color housing: Begie, White, Orange, Black.
And the numeric pad actually have 3 different colors. I think the color could mean the travel it has. Which one you think is stiffer?
Posted: 15 Oct 2015, 06:25
by rsbseb
The color of the plastic is not relevant and appears to be recycled. Even the tan ones are a variety of shades. The switches with the black dots on them are stiffer, it does not show up very well but the black switches also have a black ink mark on them and are stiffer. The switch with the red dot has a strait stem instead of an angled one. The red switch has the soft spring in it.
Posted: 15 Oct 2015, 07:56
by rsbseb
Here's a short video of some absolutely meaningless typing.
http://vid183.photobucket.com/albums/x2 ... tboard.mp4
Posted: 15 Oct 2015, 21:17
by kps
rsbseb wrote: ↑Here is what?
HERE IS
Posted: 16 Oct 2015, 07:23
by 10ko
The key caps are Cherry M9 compatible.
I hope to show you disassembled switch.
Posted: 16 Oct 2015, 19:26
by 10ko
That is.
Posted: 16 Oct 2015, 21:20
by Chyros
I think that's the first time I've ever actually seen the magnetic reed in a magnetic reed switch. Very nice photo!
Posted: 24 Oct 2015, 00:17
by stratokaster
Good old 155-series ICs.
You can think of them as discrete logic gates. That's why it takes dozens of them to do what a typical Intel keyboard controller does.
Posted: 13 Jan 2016, 17:29
by terrycherry
rsbseb: Late to see your update. Thanks to share the video and switch! Thanks to 10ko for the assemble photo. Seems like you have the same keyboard.
I got the luck to find this keyboard(different layout) with the original computer!
[PC][Bulgaria][1984.03.29]IZOT(ИЗОТ) 1031C keyboard
CPU: Eastern Germany i8080 clone; RAM: 64 KB
seller site
http://olx.bg/ad/pravets-82-izot-1031s- ... DYb0t.html
Here's the owner blog.(Ukrainian) He collected lots of old rare computer at home.
http://retro-pc.blogspot.hk/
Here's the pdf manual. It's for Bulgarian, like the wrestler Rusev.
http://www.retrotronics.info/modules/ne ... storyid=13
Posted: 13 Jan 2016, 19:02
by terrycherry
rsbseb wrote: ↑The color of the plastic is not relevant and appears to be recycled. Even the tan ones are a variety of shades. The switches with the black dots on them are stiffer, it does not show up very well but the black switches also have a black ink mark on them and are stiffer. The switch with the red dot has a strait stem instead of an angled one. The red switch has the soft spring in it.
As you said, I noticed the details as following.(color means the shell shape)Is that correct?(If you can show me the switches on full keyboard, it could be great.)
I can see the keyboard has the Caps Lock. Is it the latching lock switch?
-(Linear)Beige
various key
-(Linear)Black
(numeric area)7; 5; 6
-(Linear)Black with dot
(numeric area)8; 9
-(Linear)Orange
(numeric area)OFF LINE
-(Linear)White with dot
\; (numeric area)0; _; 1; 2; 3; 4; ,; -; ON LINE; (two blank keycap)
-(Linear)White(straight slider)
(numeric area)Enter
Switch performance: Harder > softer
(Linear)White with dot = (Linear)Black with dot > (Linear)Beige = (Linear)Black = (Linear)White(straight slider) > (Linear)Orange
Posted: 28 May 2016, 04:59
by DMA
Reminds me of a first fancy keyboard I had access to.
http://forum.maxiol.com/index.php?act=a ... st&id=8057
Capacitive! Linear feeling, completely silent.
Heavy as hell - 4 kg, pardon my metric units. Just look how thick the metal is.
5V, 900mA.
Driving voltage 100V, driving frequency 200kHz (Yes, I've found the technical manual. Scans, quality is abysmal.)
Every key contains it's own resistor and transistor
http://forum.maxiol.com/index.php?act=a ... st&id=7870
(visible on the photo with case removed)
http://forum.maxiol.com/index.php?act=a ... st&id=7947
bottom of the PCB:
http://forum.maxiol.com/index.php?act=a ... st&id=7951
It was a part of a soviet almost-VT52-compatible terminal.
http://forum.maxiol.com/lofiversion/ind ... t5118.html
Posted: 02 Jun 2016, 06:40
by terrycherry
Great! Never seen this keyboard.
I think you can open a topic to post more quality photos and talk more details about this keyboard.
Posted: 08 Jun 2016, 08:19
by lot_lizard
Muirium wrote:
Nothing to do with anything relevant, but this color layout... Wow. The white alphas, light grey controls, subtle blacks and reds, all in spherical... It's delicious.
Posted: 08 Jun 2016, 13:41
by Halvar
We should do a
group buy based on these colors!
Posted: 08 Jun 2016, 14:27
by lot_lizard
Halvar wrote: ↑We should do a
group buy based on these colors!
Haha... I'm always a day late and a dollar short it seems
Posted: 08 Jun 2016, 16:44
by DMA
lot_lizard wrote: ↑Muirium wrote:
Nothing to do with anything relevant, but this color layout... Wow. The white alphas, light grey controls, subtle blacks and reds, all in spherical... It's delicious.
Those colors actually scare me a bit.
Because the only time I saw them previously was a long time ago and it was this:
This is actually a PDP-11.