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樱桃黄轴 Cherry yellow
Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 05:44
by yab8433408
从2013年开始，中国的淘宝中，部分无良商贩，利用紫金黄轴等黄色轴芯，制作假的所谓“樱桃黄轴”
这些轴体基本有一个特性，他们都出现在各类非樱桃产无钢板键盘上，利用无钢板键盘更换轴心较为方便较为方便
将原有樱桃轴上盖打开，将紫金黄轴轴心替换掉原有轴体的轴芯和弹簧，装上樱桃轴上盖，仿冒“樱桃黄轴”
一般人拿到后，因为电路板无二次焊接痕迹，轴体上盖及底座均为真实樱桃轴无疑，所以很多人上当受骗。
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从2013年开始，断断续续有一些朋友购买了黄轴后，找我对比我手中的樱桃黄轴
但经过经对比后，一些朋友购买的所谓樱桃黄轴轴芯均为紫金黄轴无疑
其实将黄色轴芯和樱桃黑轴、红轴轴心进行对比，从注塑口、模具形状等位置，可以看出很多区别。
现将2013年拍摄的，淘宝所以的樱桃黄轴和我手中的樱桃黄轴的对比图片发布出来
希望对大家的鉴定有一定帮助。
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紫金黄轴究竟是由什么厂家出品，生产地来至什么地方，说法很多，但都没有实际依据
中国玩家更愿意称呼为紫金黄轴，因为出现在紫金键盘上，轴体上盖无LOGO，故将其命名为紫金黄轴
该键盘主要作为银行终端机使用，在使用比较频繁的数字区域及功能键采用樱桃黑轴，以保证寿命
对使用较少的字母部分，采用紫金黄轴，以节约成本
紫金黄轴还有一个比较显著的特点是，他的颜色会有色差，可能在同一把键盘上也会有此情况
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除了紫金黄轴之外 用来伪造樱桃黄轴的还有SF黄轴 这种黄轴历史更为久远
且由于十字轴心中心处有凹陷，触底部分也有凸起部分，与樱桃轴有较大的区别
比较好辨认
如果不同见解，欢迎大家提出，由于我不懂英语，所以我会使用翻译软件和大家交流。
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 07:47
by seebart
Nice pictures, too bad most of us cannot read any of it. To be fair we do not have any Asian language section in our "» Other » Other languages" section.
Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 09:46
by Daniel Beardsmore
I am curious that this keyboard just happens to be the same model (Chicony KB-5191) that mine and Michael Schmid's switches came from — I will invite cherry-jade to comment on this, as he was the original supplier of those switches. It seems a strange idea, to take the PCB from a broken keyboard, and use that to sell off fake MX Yellow switches instead of the real MX switches it came with.
What Brother Dragon seems not to have commented upon is the origin of the Cherry switch, and why that one should be held to be real.
Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 09:54
by seebart
Daniel Beardsmore wrote: ↑I am curious that this keyboard just happens to be the same model (Chicony KB-5191) that mine and Michael Schmid's switches came from — I will invite cherry-jade to comment on this, as he was the original supplier of those switches. It seems a strange idea, to take the PCB from a broken keyboard, and use that to sell off fake MX Yellow switches instead of the real MX switches it came with.
What Brother Dragon seems not to have commented upon is the origin of the Cherry switch, and why that one should be held to be real.
I have no knowledge regarding the background of these yellow switches but if these are all one from one source then all this is pretty worthless since these are not even validated to be real.
Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 14:13
by yab8433408
Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 14:18
by seebart
Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 14:28
by UncleFan
Let me translate what BroDragon said(My English is also not good):
从2013年开始，中国的淘宝中，部分无良商贩，利用紫金黄轴等黄色轴芯，制作假的所谓“樱桃黄轴”
这些轴体基本有一个特性，他们都出现在各类非樱桃产无钢板键盘上，利用无钢板键盘更换轴心较为方便较为方便
将原有樱桃轴上盖打开，将紫金黄轴轴心替换掉原有轴体的轴芯和弹簧，装上樱桃轴上盖，仿冒“樱桃黄轴”
一般人拿到后，因为电路板无二次焊接痕迹，轴体上盖及底座均为真实樱桃轴无疑，所以很多人上当受骗。
Some unscrupulous traders in TaoBao use "ZIJIN"(
sorry I don't know how to translate it correctly,"紫金"'s alphabetic writing is ZIJIN, it means "purple gold",I don't know its English name.)'s key-stem to manufacture fake "Cherry MX Yellow" since 2013.These switches have some same characteristics,They all appear in some variety of non-steel plate keyboard that not cherry production.Use of non-steel keyboard to replace the switches were more convenient.pull cherry switch's top cover up, take ZIJIN yellow key-stem and spring into it,then counterfeit "Cherry MX Yellow".There are many people were deceived because it does not have the trace of the second welding.
从2013年开始，断断续续有一些朋友购买了黄轴后，找我对比我手中的樱桃黄轴
但经过经对比后，一些朋友购买的所谓樱桃黄轴轴芯均为紫金黄轴无疑
其实将黄色轴芯和樱桃黑轴、红轴轴心进行对比，从注塑口、模具形状等位置，可以看出很多区别。
现将2013年拍摄的，淘宝所以的樱桃黄轴和我手中的樱桃黄轴的对比图片发布出来
希望对大家的鉴定有一定帮助。
There are some keyboard players had bought fake Yellow switches one after another and compare with mine. but all of them were ZIJIN yellow keystem in cherry shell.Compare ZIJIN yellow key-stem with MX Black and MX Red,There are many differences in Injection plastic port and shape.Now I post the photo of comparative switches out,Hope to be helpful.
紫金黄轴究竟是由什么厂家出品，生产地来至什么地方，说法很多，但都没有实际依据
中国玩家更愿意称呼为紫金黄轴，因为出现在紫金键盘上，轴体上盖无LOGO，故将其命名为紫金黄轴
该键盘主要作为银行终端机使用，在使用比较频繁的数字区域及功能键采用樱桃黑轴，以保证寿命
对使用较少的字母部分，采用紫金黄轴，以节约成本
紫金黄轴还有一个比较显著的特点是，他的颜色会有色差，可能在同一把键盘上也会有此情况
There are many statements of where the ZIJIN yellow switches from. Chinese keyboard players called it ZIJIN yellow switches,because it comes from ZIJIN keyboard. and those switches without LOGO.that keyboard's main using is Bank terminal machine.There is a more significant feature in ZIJIN yellow switches:it has Color difference,Even in the same keyboard.
Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 14:33
by seebart
Ugh thanks for your translation UncleFan! Much better now.
Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 15:00
by cherry-jade
I have already explained the problem when cherry de
send the post of "fake cherry yellow switch".
I never said my switch is real, Uncle fan help to translate my taobao link of yellow switch ,
Include my title and all the words please.
Thank you.
新到货黄轴 5￥ each one
对樱桃中国这个声明我有以下几点要说明的：
能用到我的图我很荣幸。
1 我这个轴来货就是这样的，所以我无法确定到底是怎么回事。
2 樱桃中国的观点有可能正确，因为国内和国际上很多樱桃的粉丝怎么找也找不到樱桃黄轴的官方资料。
3 这个黄轴轴心我仔细观察过，之所以被很多人认为是樱桃的，我认为是有原因的:首先此轴心做工细致，轴体侧面与樱桃轴一样有数字及字母标识，其次轴体用料足模具精，不像现在以及以前的国产轴生产出后出现收缩导致轴心变小发皱等现象，再次毛边几乎没有，如果说相似度的话我认为是百分百到百分之九十五之间。
4
年代久远，樱桃在创立之后到70年代日本广濑建轴生产组装厂，80年代香港设立分销点，以及很多其他地方设置分部，其中日本生产的线性白轴以及由其拓展出的线性黄 橘红 桶红 灰紫 灰绿等线性轴目前也不被德国表态，所以，年代久远，这种黄轴也可能是古人造假，也可能是真的，只不过是出现在很短的时间里，匆匆闪过。就像我店铺里另一个宝贝
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=520911213609
错印LOGO樱桃轴一样，只是在机械大家族里瞬闪即逝，以后再也不会出现，所以我们要珍惜以前的工业制造给我们的pleasure，好好珍惜这个遗产。
Posted: 16 Jan 2018, 15:16
by Menuhin
Posted: 17 Jan 2018, 01:44
by Daniel Beardsmore
cherry-jade wrote: ↑I never said my switch is real
I am not interested in whether it is real — I am interested in whether you swapped the sliders, or whether that keyboard was made by Chicony with the fake switches.
Posted: 17 Jan 2018, 07:36
by UncleFan
对樱桃中国这个声明我有以下几点要说明的：
能用到我的图我很荣幸。
1 我这个轴来货就是这样的，所以我无法确定到底是怎么回事。
2 樱桃中国的观点有可能正确，因为国内和国际上很多樱桃的粉丝怎么找也找不到樱桃黄轴的官方资料。
3 这个黄轴轴心我仔细观察过，之所以被很多人认为是樱桃的，我认为是有原因的:首先此轴心做工细致，轴体侧面与樱桃轴一样有数字及字母标识，其次轴体用料足模具精，不像现在以及以前的国产轴生产出后出现收缩导致轴心变小发皱等现象，再次毛边几乎没有，如果说相似度的话我认为是百分百到百分之九十五之间。
As for these switches:
It has always been like this when I receive it.So I do not know what exactly happened on it.
Cherry's official point of view may be correct,Because no one had found the official information of MX yellow switches.
I had observed these switches carefully, Its workmanship is very meticulous, there are numbers and letters on key-stem like Cherry switches.And not as a switch made in China as deformed(Shrink and Wrinkled).Similarity up to 95%.
Posted: 17 Jan 2018, 07:44
by UncleFan
Now I explain some various switches Chinese name：
樱桃加长白轴=cherry MX-M8 adapter
樱桃黄轴=cherry MX Yellow
樱桃蓝轴=cherry MX Dark blue（I don't approve this name）
方口黑轴 and 方口青轴=cherry MX ALPS Linear and cherry MX ALPS Clicky
Posted: 17 Jan 2018, 07:46
by UncleFan
Daniel Beardsmore wrote: ↑cherry-jade wrote: ↑I never said my switch is real
I am not interested in whether it is real — I am interested in whether you swapped the sliders, or whether that keyboard was made by Chicony with the fake switches.
I don't think that cherry-jade had swapped key-stem. He is a Senior Chinese keyboard player. He said this is the case when he receives the keyboard.
Posted: 17 Jan 2018, 07:47
by UncleFan
UncleFan wrote: ↑Now I explain some various switches Chinese name：
樱桃加长黑白轴=cherry MX-M8 adapter Black and Clear
樱桃黄轴=cherry MX Yellow
樱桃蓝轴=cherry MX Dark blue（I don't approve this name）
方口黑轴 and 方口青轴=cherry MX ALPS Linear and cherry MX ALPS Clicky
Posted: 17 Jan 2018, 07:59
by UncleFan
BroDragon asked me to replace him explain the source of the yellow switches:
Those switches(including MX yellow,MX-M8 adapter,MX Dark Blue and so on) were from a man who had worked at a keyboard factory in Taiwan. They had contacted in the KBC forum.But now lost contact info.
Posted: 17 Jan 2018, 09:48
by Daniel Beardsmore
MX-M8 Adapter and MX Dwarfism are probably real Cherry products, as both were used in typewriters. The typewriter manufacturers are unlikely to have made custom sliders — they would have requested this from Cherry.
By "factory", you mean factory (where keyboards are made) and not distributor, right? In either case, a factory or distributor is not in itself trustworthy, as either one could have obtained the switches from a clone manufacturer, or they could have adapted existing Cherry switches themselves to suit their needs with replacement sliders.
It would be useful to have a list of which keyboards have these fake MX Yellow switches. The only two that I have seen so far have been Chicony KB-5191.
