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I'm of the opinion that you can only tell how good a company is by how they cope with when things go wrong and they are being extremely helpful and accommodating.

Just don't tell webwit.

They missed the bolts from my case, and they're sending me a set free of charge, which is what I would expect ...

A little birdie sold me a couple of prototype boards late last year.

Huh! I guess I should RTFM.

@gdaian - I can hit ctrl+alt+del pretty easily with an inch of wrist movement:

in Chrome I can't use shift+key combos

Why can't you? Can't reach the keys or the keys don't do what you programmed them to do?

I think it's just how the keypresses are handled in the UI. For example, I want to assign a colon (not a semi) to a key on layer 1. I click on the key, then press ...

Huh! What a good contribution to the project from MD. I've only seen screenshots of UIs from people on GH, so it's nice that there's an option people can use.

Although in Chrome I can't use shift+key combos. Ah well.

I'm for the split.

FWIW webwit, I do respect that you're open to disagreement and that you don't bring your admin status into it.

Well said TDub. That was a factor for me at first, but I did decide to trust two members (7bit and bpiphany) with my money to get my ErgoDox prototype parts even though they could have said "go fuck yourself" and I would have had little recourse.

I think this is a good community and hopefully ...

Even if massdrop had a legal or consumer-friendly ToS, there is still the fact that group buys should be done between the suppliers and us, without some commercial group buy organiser in-between.

And as I've said before, I too think that arrangement would result in a better experience for those ...

Nope, just here, with you. I'm not a crusader for corporations, I just found your reasoning continually lacking and was compelled to respond. A pet peeve of mine.

Good luck in life, friend.

webwit wrote:No. You gave false legal advise which was just a fantasy, and were caught.

No, I gave no such advice, just my reading of the situation. If you chose to take it as advice then that's your problem, friend!

As to #3, threat of litigation does prevent them from being shitty *if* they are rationally self-interested, much in the same way that negative customer feedback does.

As to #7, there is a big leap between the language in contracts and the practical implications. Hence ToS-dr.info .

Any other ...

webwit wrote:^ I caught you making up legal stuff where your aim was to misinforming the community. What a fail.

Making up legal stuff? Where did I do that? Feel free to quote me, friend!

Oh fuck you and your apologies for a nasty ToS while repeatedly attacking a member who feels otherwise. Really. Fuck you. With your fabricated fantasy how a bad ToS doesn't matter, because you, the foreigner, can threaten with legal action. This is exactly the kind of stuff why entities like ...

@AloisiusFauxly I'm neither American nor a lawyer, but clearly you are not a lawyer either.

Correct, and neither am I a US citizen. Clearly neither of us should be treating our opinions as anything more than just opinion. There's a big leap from the language in their ToS to conclusions like "you ...

I don't think shitty terms are ok because you might be able to fight them in court. It's really not a very good argument.

You don't need to fight them in court - the mere threat of litigation keeps them in line. If Massdrop is acting in their own best interests, they won't risk breaking the law ...

Your lawn mower can say whatever he likes, but you can call the cops if he fucks up and then doesn't fix it. Every other lawn mower in your area says the same thing, because one of them got ripped off once by a homeowner for their good service. Now they say "You can go fuck yourself if I fuck up ...

That's assuming I'd be aiming at your keyboard

I'll just wait until that aluminum Ergodox case comes. NUNCHUCKS MOTHERFUCKER.

webwit wrote:You really aren't paid for this shit?

Nope.

@damorgue - US contract/ToS law is complicated, making it hard to decipher the language in an agreement without a lot of qualified research or by speaking to a lawyer. There have been pushes to use plain language in agreements, and sites like Terms of Service; Didn't Read , but "legalese" remains a ...

@TDub - if you DIY your case then it could definitely be cheaper, but I doubt we're ever going to see a cheaper case with a mounting plate than $80 until we get to hundreds of units produced. If you use PCB-mounted switches, then the costs could be brought down and your case options expand.

@Ian S ...

Massdrop has a keycap buy up for blank black PBT. Price breaks are $41/$37/$35.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ergodox-keycap

JBert wrote:That's nice of you, but it goes against the principle of voting with your feet.

TheProfosist will still be of service to some people with practical rather than ideological differences/problems with Massdrop.

It is an interesting discussion, webwit. I agree with you that it would be bad for one company to completely take over and eliminate community-based GBs for the reasons you've listed. But as rknize has said, it doesn't take much for a company's reputation to turn sour. I can't see the community ...

Yeah, probably best to coordinate with an Amerifriend - get all of the kits shipped to them (free), then they can send it all to you as one package.

Not only paypal makes it harder, but on top of that the commercial services which try to penetrate hobby forums and compete with members. Wait.

In this case it's not a competition, as no one else was running a group buy. Massdrop stepped in to provide a service to members of these communities ...

I'm hoping to fly under the radar, but I think some GB runners are going to be in for a nasty surprise this Spring. I know at least one person that got bit big time last year. :(

I hope that they could demonstrate that it was a GB and not done for profit as a business. But even if they could, I ...

Just got a reply from Will @ MD when I asked about just a case or just the PCBs:

Let me know exactly want then checkout as you would normally. Once you checkout and tell me, I can put a note on that transaction saying what you want and you'll be charged the right amount. The case is $80 by itself ...

webwit, you're right in that we don't know the true price of shipping and shouldn't presume. It might be the US subsidizing EU shipments, or it might be the EU subsidizing the US shipping. Without calculating true shipping costs, there's no way to pass judgement either way.

The Massdrop design is based off of litster's design, which has a mounting plate.

7bit might do a GB later, and someone in the US could do a GB of the other Massdrop(s) to make complete kits to save on shipping costs. MD has free shipping to the US, so it wouldn't add any cost other than time.