Let's talk about - Our hobby and money !

[Peter]

Let's talk about - Our hobby and money !
Or maybe not ?

Personally, I'm sick and tired, beyond puking-point,
of hearing people complain about the asking-price of some random vintage keyboard .

SO FUCKING WHAT if the owner wants XXX whatever name the credits have ?
Don't buy it if you don't like the price, go piss away your hard-earned cash on expensive,
but cheap-shipping skulls instead .

49,99-99,99 USD EACH ?
For ONE keycap ????

EDIT :
I know, for a fact, that at least one Cherry/Olivetti-board has been desecrated because of this key-cap A-retention !
NO -YOU CAN NOT BUY THE KEYCAPS FROM BY BEAM-SPRING IBM-BOARD !!
You can't buy my Cherry DEC-clone for 200$ either - And I have the negative eBay feedback to prove it !!

[Muirium]

Personally, I'm sick and tired, beyond puking-point,
of hearing people complain about the asking-price of some random vintage keyboard .

Ah, but our good old friend "threadcrapping". Love it or hate it, a whole other cart of excrement tips over the moment you try to change what people are allowed to say.

Commentary about pricing — whiny, subjective and downright obnoxious as it may seem to be — is part and parcel of the process of doing business. It's the down and dirty matter of free speech. What you'd really like, I'm sure, is a change in other people's perspective. The same is true of every fundamental disagreement the world over. Why can't the other guy just agree? With meeeee!

Sorry. It's either the Geek Hack way where threadcrappers are escorted off the premises while the seller dances a merry jig, or the Deskthority way where we gather around the latest firefight between the persnickety kbdfr and the fiesty Monedas, and have a good laugh.

Where's the fun in silence?

[dondy]

you can't forbid arguing about the price - you might as well forbid trading at all.
imho trading is much more of a bazaar-thing than the "eat shit or die" you get at
your local super market - as in, the discussion about the price is essential.

[fruktstund]

Sorry, but I think it's rather interesting that you're complaining about people complaining about prices of keyboards, but you're complaining about the prices of keycaps yourself. Kind of contradictive. I'm just having trouble seeing how this would give some credibility to your argument.

I also think it's crazy to see people spending $100 or more on a single keycap, I agree, but it's not my money either. Actually, it happens to me all the time that I think people here in this world are doing strange things, but in the end it all comes down to opinions. Sometimes it's just better to accept things for how they are and just go on.

Discussing prices has its ups and downs, and even though you're allowed to discuss - not complain about - the prices, it may not always be worth the trouble. Sometimes people will listen, sometimes they won't.

(Blah, I've had a really bad day. Sorry if my point doesn't come through.)

[Muirium]

Yes, Frukstund, I quite agree. Especially about people being perfectly odd in every possible way, wherever you look! Fortunately, no one gets hurt around here. People can go crazy buying keyboards and caps all they want. Sooner or later, the bubble is over and the speculators can find something else to play. It's no worse than the casino.

[Findecanor]

Personally, I'm sick and tired, beyond puking-point,
of hearing people complain about the asking-price of some random vintage keyboard .

I think that threads where people discuss what an item is worth can be completely OK, as long as the item is on eBay (or similar) or a person has a keyboard he wants to sell but does not know what to ask for it. Some keyboards are worth more than others, and it is sometimes difficult to tell how much would be reasonable to expect for it.

However, complaining directly to a seller in a "for sale"-thread is just bad manners. If you want to haggle, do it by PM, be polite and know when to back off if you are refused.

[kbdfr]

Peter, we all know you're the "buy-cheap-and-resell-for-huge-profit" kind of guy:
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ ... tml#p88215

There's nothing to object to that, of course.
But then at least stop whining when the "resell-for-huge-profit" part of it doesn't work the way you expected.

[Halvar]

The Monedas thread btw wasn't about the prices he asks but about whether or not he abuses ebay buyers and/or DT.

[kbdfr]

[…] You can't buy my Cherry DEC-clone for 200$ either […]

Do you mean the one you bought for 10.50£?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160802705998

Honestly, even if I hadn't one of those already, I wouldn't want to feed your cupidity.

Thanks again to dirge for organizing a group buy for those without making profit out of it.
That's the spirit.

[dondy]

Personally, I'm sick and tired, beyond puking-point,
of hearing people complain about the asking-price of some random vintage keyboard .

I think that threads where people discuss what an item is worth can be completely OK, as long as the item is on eBay (or similar) or a person has a keyboard he wants to sell but does not know what to ask for it. Some keyboards are worth more than others, and it is sometimes difficult to tell how much would be reasonable to expect for it.

However, complaining directly to a seller in a "for sale"-thread is just bad manners. If you want to haggle, do it by PM, be polite and know when to back off if you are refused.

i dunnoh why you would you be so hush-hush about price stuff? wouldn't it be interresting for newbies what a opinion of a price would be? also, everybody knows that sellers desire profit (it's just those that desire alot of profit that wouldn't want you to know how hard you got ripped off), no reason to hide that. also the profit margin is somewhat hidden already in the total price

wake up music to go with reading~

[Muirium]

Public haggling makes a good bazaar. I'd also love a rule, or at least a social expectation, where the final sale price must be public for every successful listing here. That would really help keep things in perspective.

[GeorgeStorm]

I think some people are justs fed up of people within the 'community' trying to just make profit from others, which isn't really what this place should be about.

[Muirium]

I think some people are justs fed up of people within the 'community' trying to just make profit from others, which isn't really what this place should be about.

Yes, and discussion is the way to sort that out.

It's the need to stifle communication – even if it seems snarky, selfish and troublemaking – that I object to. GH does it, and everyone can see that profit rules supreme in many sales threads over there.

[Broadmonkey]

I don't know if it's just me, but I have a feeling that we are a community (even though I don't post much) and should treat each other like such... and we mostly do. We help with keyboard purchases, modding guides and just about any knowledge we have we gladly share and what we don't know we discuss to gain more knowledge, we even organize group buys to get stuff for cheap, but when we have to sell our own private gear it becomes a competition of who can fuck the other members the most! and this is true even if you sell on ebay, because it's the same fucking buyers. If you sell if for a profit you are fucking other members end of story.
The problem is when someone sells something of great value TO THEM, I can understand some want a little more to be able to let it go and let someone else enjoy it, but there is a long way from that to just buying everything cheap and sell it at a fucking huge margin!