frequent timeouts

[webwit]

https://www.igorkromin.net/index.php/20 ... age-error/

[matt3o]

Never experienced that kind of problems.
Good old wired Internet connection, good old Windows, good old Firefox

the servers are basically under your home, kbdfr. I would be surprised otherwise. It seems that Hetzner has some troubles with international routes both to EU and US.

[snuci]

https://www.igorkromin.net/index.php/20 ... age-error/

That's why I suggested Incognito or private window. The browser will not use the cache so it will be an easy test without having to clear your browser cache.

[Muirium]

Huh. Just had my first one of these errors outside of a Submit button. I was doing a PM search instead, so the button, rightly enough, was called "Search" instead.

Beware buttons when you have typed text!

[matt3o]

mtr, mu!

[Muirium]

Got a .dmg file? I haven't the open days necessary to figure out building from source! Seems to work differently with every app.

[matt3o]

http://rudix.org/packages/mtr.html

[Muirium]

Thanks. I'm running 10.11 though, which isn't listed. Why is there a different version for each release of OS X? That's something you very seldom see on this platform. (Sets my spidey sense tingling.) And they haven't updated since 2014!? Also: those terminal commands on the download page. What's all that about? Ugh…

[Compgeke]

Run the .pkg to install then run that command to display the program help.

[scottc]

Man, the terminal! That's so 1960's. Nobody uses that anymore. Am I right?

[Muirium]

I'm not installing this thing. I don't understand it, and it'll be asking for admin priveleges, which is a no-no in my book.

I'd give it a shot if I had any modern computers I don't rely on for all my stuff. But the only spare hardware I've got is PowerPC! My main workstation is a 10 year old Mac Pro, remember.

[matt3o]

what a silly world

[Muirium]

Yeah I know. Letting non-programmers use computers! That just wouldn't fly in the good old days.

Seriously though. Those 2014 release dates and the (resulting) absence of support for my OS does not look inviting. I know when I'm not ready for the bumpy road ahead.

[Madhias]

Muirium sounds like my father!

[seebart]

Muirium sounds like my father!

[matt3o]

the software is no harm, password is asked because the command is installed in a directory that requires root access. mtr is a very simple (open source) program that doesn't require update, so I'm actually surprised there's a 2014 release.

that being said, forget about it. don't want you to leave your safe place. it's not a big deal.

[Madhias]

With Homebrew (http://brew.sh/) a newer version of MTR is available (mtr-0.86.el_capitan.bottle.1.tar.gz), but if you don't want to use terminal at all is no option of course!

[Muirium]

It can wait. I'll grab the app someday when they actually finish it.

[Madhias]

Actually the app is finished I would say, but you have to find a way to start a *nix application on your Mac OS, and there are various ways of doing so - I only knew Homebrew so far!

[Muirium]

I'll hold out for a GUI. I really don't want to have to do any work. Command lines feel like a punishment exercise in detention at school.

I will not make my teacher cry.
I will not make my teacher cry.
I will not…

[Madhias]

That's sometimes true, but a very good excuse to use a special keyboard! And there is always copy and paste... and TAB!

[scottc]

Well without installing something like mtr, it's going to be nigh-on impossible to debug your problem. Unfortunately we can't really help without it!

I agree with Webwit that it's likely an issue on your end, Mu. I've never had the problem anywhere I've logged in from.

[Muirium]

This thing bit me in America too. And on two different cell carriers, over there and back home in Scotland.

If it really doesn't show up for you guys, I guess it's not worth fixing anyway. It hits me fairly regularly, but seldom more than a few times a week. When it does get crazy, it'll hit me several times in an hour. But that much is rare. Typically it'll strike just once then vanish. Just the kind of problem that's hard to track. For little reward.

Certainly nothing to wreck one of my computers over. Trust me: if admin privileges in the terminal are involved, I will wreck it!

The only way out is through.
The only way out is through.
The only way out…

[matt3o]

it's not just you Mu. hetzner routes outside central Europe seem a little messed up. I found reports of that on other sites as well.

[Muirium]

Indeed. I know it affects several of us DT regulars, quite regularly. (All the way back to Rt Hon. Beardsmore, who complained of lost posts on Submission, too.)

It's this software I don't understand.

Say I borrow a Mac Mini from my old man, install this on it and leave it running. Does the software probe and log automatically? Can I leave it up to its own thing? Headless, as I haven't the space for anything but that little computer.

[matt3o]

mtr is not a demon, it is a one time thing. You execute it, it takes approx 1-2 minutes to make the test and then it is terminated. If you don't use it, it's like it never existed.

[Madhias]

It takes about one minute, and that's it, you get an output similar to traceroute. You can try to use traceroute on your Mac, which is already installed, if you are absolutely not sure what this all is about, instead of mtr, which is like an extended traceroute application.

[Muirium]

Anything informative here?

traceroute to deskthority.net (136.243.20.197), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 172.20.10.1 (172.20.10.1) 1.130 ms 0.649 ms 0.565 ms
2 * * *
3 172.23.192.201 (172.23.192.201) 95.081 ms 118.048 ms 82.714 ms
4 172.23.226.40 (172.23.226.40) 57.575 ms 105.170 ms 95.074 ms
5 188.31.254.50.threembb.co.uk (188.31.254.50) 79.720 ms 100.530 ms 77.960 ms
6 188.31.255.89.threembb.co.uk (188.31.255.89) 117.204 ms 119.695 ms 79.318 ms
7 ae4.man11.ip4.gtt.net (141.136.98.193) 79.970 ms 103.779 ms 88.458 ms
8 et-10-3-0.fra28.ip4.gtt.net (141.136.109.173) 94.223 ms 80.981 ms 80.967 ms
9 hetzner-online-gw.ip4.gtt.net (77.67.76.142) 104.098 ms 110.836 ms 114.708 ms
10 core23.hetzner.de (213.239.203.154) 97.718 ms 105.670 ms 123.556 ms
11 ex9k1.rz21.hetzner.de (213.239.203.174) 466.082 ms 104.164 ms 120.111 ms
12 server.deskthority.net (136.243.20.197) 496.064 ms 196.358 ms 119.687 ms

There's even more * * * entries (which take several seconds to elapse) when I'm on cable at home.