Lesser of two evils...
- gore
- Location: UK Birmingham
- Main keyboard: Flico Majestouch 2
- Main mouse: Logitech G203
- Favorite switch: MX Brown
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Out of interest which do people find to be the lesser of two evils; a small shift or a small backspace, its not really a problem with ANSI board but it is on some ISO ones...
- webwit
- Wild Duck
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Model F62
- Favorite switch: IBM beam spring
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Small backspace is ok as long as a HHKB is built around it.
- daedalus
- Buckler Of Springs
- Location: Ireland
- Main keyboard: Model M SSK (home) HHKB Pro 2 (work)
- Main mouse: CST Lasertrack, Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring, Beam Spring
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Having made extensive use of keyboards with both of this layout features, I find them perfectly adjustable to. I think the vast majority of people who complain about them have never actually used them, and are just derping because it looks different to their current keyboard.
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- Location: Sweden
- Main keyboard: KBC Poker
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Cherry Red
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Growing up on ISO makes that choice easy xD
My pinky has gotten used to doing that "akward" bend. But a small backspace sucks hard. Used one board with that once.. missed the damn key all the time.
My pinky has gotten used to doing that "akward" bend. But a small backspace sucks hard. Used one board with that once.. missed the damn key all the time.
- 7bit
- Location: Berlin, DE
- Main keyboard: Tipro / IBM 3270 emulator
- Main mouse: Logitech granite for SGI
- Favorite switch: MX Lock
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Stop calling me an idiot!Ekaros wrote:Small shift. Clear choise, only idiots would think different ;D
Small Backspace is bad. I prefer it to be one row down (1.5x). Small shift is great because it gives a 2nd modifier key. The only bad thing is that they are the wrong way round.
Really evil keys are J-shape return and 2.75 units right shift!
But the most evil of them all: The big-ass L-shape return!
- Peter
- Location: Denmark
- Main keyboard: Steelseries 6Gv2/G80-1501HAD
- Main mouse: Mx518
- Favorite switch: Cherry Linear and Buckling Spring
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The keyboard of your worst nightmare would be a Steelseries 7G US-layout
A small backspace is OK .. if it's a POS-board and the lettering says 'BS' ..
If the lettering doesn't say 'BS' it's just a POS-board !
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If the lettering doesn't say 'BS' it's just a POS-board !
- snerual
- Main keyboard: Topre
- Main mouse: Razer
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring
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I have many keyboards, including a Steelseries 6GV2 and while I like the MX blacks, I hate the tiny backspace. L shaped return I can live with, although I'm no fan of it either. The non-ANSI layout and it's small backspace are the main reasons it's stored somewhere in it's box.
- Peter
- Location: Denmark
- Main keyboard: Steelseries 6Gv2/G80-1501HAD
- Main mouse: Mx518
- Favorite switch: Cherry Linear and Buckling Spring
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I have a 6gv2 in 'Nordic' layout :
how it requires everything else to be moved around to.
ANSI is clearly prettier, partly because it has a symmetrical look ..
I prefer the BIGASS-return to the normal ISO-layout one, but I don't likehow it requires everything else to be moved around to.
ANSI is clearly prettier, partly because it has a symmetrical look ..
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- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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I went by on Amiga keyboards in Swedish/Finnish layout during most of the '90s. That layout has both a short left Shift and small Backspace.
- The Solutor
- Main keyboard: Xarmor U9BL-S
- Main mouse: Logitech M705
- Favorite switch: MX Clear
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Already said elsewhere, best is ISO, but the 6gv2 layout is also very good.
- guilleguillaume
- Location: Barcelona, Spain
- Main keyboard: Kmac Mini
- Main mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014
- Favorite switch: Topre
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Am I the only one that love both? I can't vote and I feel sad!
The small Backspace for me is fantastic. I prefer the Left Little Shift than the large one too.
Maybe It have to do with the Steelseries 7G being my first mechanical keyboard. I ended up loving the small backspace on ISO Layout
Nobody like Right Small Shift here? I do![Uber Geek :ugeek:](./images/smilies/icon_e_ugeek.gif)
The small Backspace for me is fantastic. I prefer the Left Little Shift than the large one too.
Maybe It have to do with the Steelseries 7G being my first mechanical keyboard. I ended up loving the small backspace on ISO Layout
Nobody like Right Small Shift here? I do
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- The Solutor
- Main keyboard: Xarmor U9BL-S
- Main mouse: Logitech M705
- Favorite switch: MX Clear
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BTW 7g is not ISO, and the ISO layout has not a tiny backspace, just the left shift.
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- Main keyboard: Unicomp Customizer 104
- Main mouse: Microsoft Sidewinder X8
- Favorite switch: BS
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I never press the backspace key anwway, so I don't really care how small it is. Backspacing is what the caps lock key is for.
I would have some concers about the size of that enter key though. I mean, those massive L shaped enter key might be... maybe a little heavier for a pinkie to have to press. Especially on a buckling spring keyboard.
I'll stick with my standard ANSI I think. (Yes, I grew up on ISO/UK. But I remapped the # key next to enter to be enter because the greater distance between home keys and enter annoyed me greatly)
I would have some concers about the size of that enter key though. I mean, those massive L shaped enter key might be... maybe a little heavier for a pinkie to have to press. Especially on a buckling spring keyboard.
I'll stick with my standard ANSI I think. (Yes, I grew up on ISO/UK. But I remapped the # key next to enter to be enter because the greater distance between home keys and enter annoyed me greatly)
- kps
- Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
- Main keyboard: Kinesis contoured
- Main mouse: Kensington Slimblade trackball
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For all of them, plus return, It's not the size, it's the position. Even 1x keys would be fine if they weren't displaced further away from the home position by extra keys.