Oh nooooo, how can this be??? Can Sixty be right?????

[Mrinterface]

Is Sixty right after all?

How can this be????

I was using my HHKB2 for a long time and I decided to switch to some of my other keyboards again..... I tried many of them and then something very, very weird happened.

I GOT STUCK ON CHERRY BLACK!!!

What? Yes, cherry black. I totally fell in love with my steelseries 7G's build quality and cherry blacks. Also the palm-rest is working like a charm. And this is coming from a Topre addict like me. I thought it would be impossible to convert me.....

Then I remembered Sixty stating he liked cherry black over all the keys he'd tried. I finally understand what he was talking about.

So, the question then : are there any other users who got converted over time?

Regards.

[Minskleip]

I like Cherry black and red over blue, but I really want a programmable pos matrix with buckling springs

[mintberryminuscrunch]

welcome to the club^^

[kbdfr]

Hehe...



My nomination for the Best keyboard switch 2011:

I guess they're not likely to be nominated in the end, but...
Cherry blacks, the robust workhorse for real typists who don't expect a switch to faint under their fingers

[RiGS]

Lol same for me. I sold my Topre, and decided to keep my Steelseries 6GV2.
The whole board feels nice and solid, though the keycaps could be made better.

[Lamaboi]

I can't really say much about topre switches because I've never owned one of their boards, but I did had a hard time with cherry reds while switching from blacks. Those damn things are just too light for my taste. With blacks I can rest my fingers a bit on the keycaps, while with reds I had alot of mistypes. The stiff, linear feel of the blacks is also better for gaming, double tapping and all that shiz. Gonna try out some browns soon.

[kaiserreich]

I got addicted to the vintage Cherry Blacks on my WYSE.
I think it is my favorite Cherry MX switch.

But still, HHKB is still a super nice keyboard.

[RiGS]

I can't really say much about topre switches because I've never owned one of their boards, but I did had a hard time with cherry reds while switching from blacks. Those damn things are just too light for my taste. With blacks I can rest my fingers a bit on the keycaps, while with reds I had alot of mistypes. The stiff, linear feel of the blacks is also better for gaming, double tapping and all that shiz. Gonna try out some browns soon.

Lol browns will feel like something is broken inside the switch, yet I like those for typing as well.
However I think the brown switch is too light for the spacebar.

[RiGS]

I got addicted to the vintage Cherry Blacks on my WYSE.
I think it is my favorite Cherry MX switch.

I just bought the switches of a NIB WYSE Terminal to compare those with the mx blacks in my Steelseries.
I do hope it will feel different, otherwise I will curse sixty for wasting my money.

I will also compare the WYSE plate mounted Cherry G99 stabilizers with the alleged Taiwanese cherry clone stabilizers in my Steelseries to breake that myth once and for all.

[sordna]

I think cherry blacks are smoother than cherry reds, I have them on my Data911 TG3. It's an underrated switch, but actually really nice and quite easy to avoid bottoming out with, so it's not bad for typing as some people think. If you think about it, the super expensive Maltron uses them. I like them much more that those gritty browns! But my overall preferred switch is reds because I want to have the lightest touch possible. But I do feel a slight friction on the reds, whereas on the blacks, the harder spring overshadows the friction component of the keystroke!

[Minskleip]

But I do feel a slight friction on the reds, whereas on the blacks, the harder spring overshadows the friction component of the keystroke!

That's the case I have with red/black as well, but I've only tried old black.

I tried ergo clears two weeks ago, but they were way too sticky and scratchy, so I switched back to original old clears. At the same time I had the clear springs with blue stems, and that had the potential to be quite nice; the tactile bump was completely gone, and thus no more scratch!

[RiGS]

But I do feel a slight friction on the reds, whereas on the blacks, the harder spring overshadows the friction component of the keystroke!

That's the case I have with red/black as well, but I've only tried old black.

So you do feel the friction on your old blacks?
That's the only thing I hate about my new blacks. I hope the older blacks are better in this regard.

[Minskleip]

But I do feel a slight friction on the reds, whereas on the blacks, the harder spring overshadows the friction component of the keystroke!

That's the case I have with red/black as well, but I've only tried old black.

So you do feel the friction on your old blacks?
That's the only thing I hate about my new blacks. I hope the older blacks are better in this regard.

They are virtually frictionless! Even if I purposely press the keys sideways to make contact with the stem and the rest of the switch they're very smooth.

[sixty]

I GOT STUCK ON CHERRY BLACK!!!

Congratulations, you become a man today!

I will also compare the WYSE plate mounted Cherry G99 stabilizers with the alleged Taiwanese cherry clone stabilizers in my Steelseries to breake that myth once and for all.

The ones in the WYSE are also made in Taiwan as far as I know. But there seem to be different revisions. I like the stabilizers on the full size PCE 102s I got. I have a brand new QUME (WYSE oem), and they feel kinda chunky ont he shifts.

Report your findings.

[RiGS]

Thanks. OMG you made me so excited about those.
I also plan to add titanium springs, stickers and RO-59 to further increase the awesomeness.

[sixty]

I still have three sheets of stickers somewhere, I can mail you enough for the alphanumerical blocks for a couple of bucks if you want. Mind if you if you use the titanium springs from OTD, you end up with something similar to a red...

[RiGS]

Thanks. PMed.
I wil have both the 55g and 62g springs soon. I don't mind if I end up with something similar to a red until it is smooth and frictionless.
Do you prefer the original vintage black spring over the Korean titanium custom springs?

[RiGS]

I will also compare the WYSE plate mounted Cherry G99 stabilizers with the alleged Taiwanese cherry clone stabilizers in my Steelseries to breake that myth once and for all.

The ones in the WYSE are also made in Taiwan as far as I know. But there seem to be different revisions. I like the stabilizers on the full size PCE 102s I got. I have a brand new QUME (WYSE oem), and they feel kinda chunky ont he shifts.

Report your findings.

Both the stabilizers and the switches are from the same WYSE Teminal you own.
http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/wyse-wy60-terminal/

[sordna]

So you do feel the friction on your old blacks?
That's the only thing I hate about my new blacks. I hope the older blacks are better in this regard.

There seems to be variation between different batches of cherry switches, probably they are not lubed consistently. My Poker with reds has scratchier switches than my Kinesis Advantage with reds. And I have a few different Kinesis boards with cherry browns, and their keys differ from each other as well.

[RiGS]

There shouldn't be a significant difference between mass produced switches.
However several geekhackers reported that their switches weren't lubed by the factory at all. This could cause a major difference in feel.
Also there are many complains regarding the Pokers with scratchy red switches, and recent clear switches.
Since the Poker is PCB mounted, you can easily open a few switches without any soldering, and check the metal leaf for any traces of silicon lube.
It should be lubed at two spots where the two legs of the plastic slider hit the metal leaf.
Unfortunately I don't have a Poker to verify this.
This question seriously bugs me, so I will compare my vintage cherry blacks with my recent scratchy blacks.
I will thoroughly examine the springs, sliders, and the stems.
I will also test the stems with third party springs, and I will clean the stems and apply some lubricant as well to exclude the lubricant from the equation.

[002]

Interesting...
Cherry Blacks and Clears are pretty much the only ones I haven't tried.
I like the Blues but don't think much of the Browns or Reds. I think I'm just going to avoid Cherry Blacks in case I do like them and then have to sell my Topre collection

[kaiserreich]

@RiGs,

I am looking forward to your analysis.

Not sure about stabilizers part, since I don't have a non WYSE Cherry Black keyboard, but the Cherry Stabilizers on the WYSE feels awesome, much better than the Poker/Ducky with other switches.

[ripster]

There shouldn't be a significant difference between mass produced switches.
However several geekhackers reported that their switches weren't lubed by the factory at all. This could cause a major difference in feel.
Also there are many complains regarding the Pokers with scratchy red switches, and recent clear switches.
Since the Poker is PCB mounted, you can easily open a few switches without any soldering, and check the metal leaf for any traces of silicon lube.
It should be lubed at two spots where the two legs of the plastic slider hit the metal leaf.
Unfortunately I don't have a Poker to verify this.
This question seriously bugs me, so I will compare my vintage cherry blacks with my recent scratchy blacks.
I will thoroughly examine the springs, sliders, and the stems.
I will also test the stems with third party springs, and I will clean the stems and apply some lubricant as well to exclude the lubricant from the equation.

Scratchy Red Poker MX?

I call
The McRip Effect!

Probably due to them being PCB versus Plate mounted and torsional effects that result.

[sordna]

Scratchy Red Poker MX?
...
Probably due to them being PCB versus Plate mounted and torsional effects that result.

Yes, cherry MX switches, including reds, ARE a bit scratchy. You can even hear a noise as the key travels. It's really evident if you compare them to good rubber domes like my Goldtouch, or to Topre which this video clearly illustrates, and no I don't think it has to do with having a metal plate or not. Turn up the volume to hear the sliding noise of friction, and look closely to see a notchiness:

Above video was posted at GH

[ripster]

I'm talking about the whole unlubed Cherry MX Poker Reds rumor making the rounds.

Any switch with plastic and a spring is going to feel different than a rubber dome. Topre being the notable exception.

[mintberryminuscrunch]

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[ripster]

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[mintberryminuscrunch]

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Everytime you write mcrip effect a fairy dies

[002]

Fairy deaths are a small thing that we should not be concerned about. You're overreacting about fairy deaths and I think we should add this to the McRip archives.

[rich0d]

I must say that after using my el cheapo blacks (they've become my drivers at work and home) from CeeSA, I prefer my G80-1800's over my slightly more premium Noppoo Choc Mini with browns. I still haven't tried blue or red yet though, so the jury is still out, but the force needed on blacks is perfect.

Girlfriend prefers them over browns too, as I tend to bottom out on the browns thus creating more noise.