Help to choose a new keyboard for the office

s0b

10 Mar 2014, 17:31

I need help to choose a new keyboard (looking for a full keyboard, not tkl or 60%) to be used in the office where I work as programmer.

As a Cherry Blue lover I'm trying to find a switch with that feel but I'm worried about the noise. Right now, according to other topics about the noise and Youtube videos, I'm between browns and whites. I think that I would prefer the whites but is hard to find a keyboard with this switch, I just found a Ducky :(

Another option is to get a keyboard with blues and O-Rings, but I never tried it and don't know if the rings will cancel enough noise...

Any advice about the noise or experience with mechanical keyboards in a work environment will be welcome.

Thanks!

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matt3o
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10 Mar 2014, 17:58

orings don't do much about noise on the blues, unless you are really heavy on the keys.

I'd suggest to have a look at the silent tactile matias keyboards http://matias.ca/quietpro/pc/

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Muirium
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10 Mar 2014, 18:11

Browns and clears (and their elusive offspring: ergo clears) are in that zone of quiet tactile. But, despite their reputation, switches aren't the only source of noise in a keyboard. Here's a side by side example I made of my own MX green (sounds just like MX blue) and MX red (non-click linear) keyboards:

MX Green:
MX Red:
A lot of the noise is actually bottoming out and the clack from when the switches return to the top. Matias has doubly damped switches (based on old Alps designs) that are said to be significantly quieter. I haven't tried a Matias, but I do have an Apple Extended Keyboard II that uses the original tactile Alps. It's quite impressive. Good feel and very reduced sound.

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wetto

10 Mar 2014, 18:19

Just taking something from my review of the Matias Mini Quiet Pro:
Spoiler:
One of the main features and selling points of the Matias Quiet Pro and Matias Mini Quiet Pro is something quite simple and that many wished they could have on their mechanical keyboards: silence.

The Matias Quiet switch was designed from the start to be quiet, unlike Cherry MX switches, on which you can use o-rings to lower the noise a bit, but it doesn't reaches the same level as Matias Quiet and not everyone likes the difference on the feedback that these rubber bands can do (myself included).

Comparing it to other kinds of keyboards, the noise level that Matias Quiet switches produce is a bit similar to scissor-switches membrane keyboards, which are the ones used on low-profile Apple keyboards and Laptop keyboards.

Simply listening to sound recordings or reading text is not enough to prove anything regarding how quieter Matias Quiet switches are compared to Cherry MX, it is necessary to analyze the sounds created by each one through graphics and comparing the amplitude and frequencies generated by each. Thus, to test whether or not the Matias Quiet are more silent, we recorded 10 seconds of typing using different switches and checked out the results. The recordings used on this test were made using a "Zoom H2" digital recorder, positioned around 30 cm above each keyboard with the help of a support. A +14.0 dB gain was applied on each of the recording so that the graphs could be easier to understand.

Also, please don't mind that the interface on the software is in Brazilian Portuguese, this review was originally made in Brazilian Portuguese.

But before analyzing the audio, let's establish that:

MX Brown = GREEN
MX Blue = BLUE
Matias Quiet = RED

Keyboards used:

Razer Blackwidow Ultimate (2009 model, iOne) = Cherry MX Blue
Das Keyboard Model S Professional (old Costar model) = Cherry MX Brown
Matias Mini Quiet Pro = Matias Quiet

Amplitude Analysis

First, let's compare first the Cherry MX Brown with the Matias Quiet switch:

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On the graphs it's possible to analyze that the Matias Quiet is several times more quiet than the MX Brown switch, the main difference being noticed on how much noise the spacebar produces, which reaches some very high levels on Cherry MX keyboards, especially the ones with Costar Stabilizers. On Matias Quiet keyboards, the sound of the spacebar is far quieter, it's not even possible to recognize when people press it.

The same can be verified comparing the Matias Quiet switch with the MX Blue switch.

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And as an extra, the comparison between Cherry MX Blue and Cherry MX Brown:

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It's interesting to notice that the spacebar is the main cause for noise at Cherry MX keyboards and although the amplitude looks just about the same between Cherry MX Brown and Cherry MX Blue, what changes between them is the frequencies which are generated. Simplifying what I'll show you guys next, the Cherry MX Blue makes a "click" sound, the Cherry MX Brown makes a "clack" sound and the Matias Quiet makes a "tock" sound.

Frequency Analysis

Cherry MX Blue:

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It's possible to verify that the high frequncies (above 7000 Hz) are very loud on Cherry MX Blue switches, especially due to their click mechanism. The low frequency sounds are normally caused by the impact of the key reaching its end and doesn't propagates nor is it irritating (for others) like the high frequency sounds caused by the MX Blue.

Cherry MX Brown:

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The amplitude of low frequency signals on the Cherry MX Brown is almost identical to the MX Blue, although, the medium frequencies and especially the high frequencies are much lower, making the switch more silent (or at least acceptable to others) than Cherry MX Blue.

Matias Quiet

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On the Matias Quiet switch it's very easy to see not only a decrease in the maximum amplitude (which decreases from -39 to -42 dBs), but also at the low frequencies, medium frequencies and especially high frequency signals. The sound of typing on the Matias Quiet is a muffled sound, a really quiet sound which has almost no high frequency signals and it's very comfortable to use in places where there are many people since it's actually even quieter than many membrane keyboards.

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Halvar

10 Mar 2014, 18:35

Blues seem to be annoying to some, although I don't mind them.

Most of the mechanical keyboard users in our office (4 developers) use MX browns or clears. IMO they are not louder than rubberdomes after you get used to typing on them. I used (vintage) dampened Alps like the one on the Matias for a while, too -- they did sound a bit better, but personally I prefer the feel of MX browns. All of them are a very reasonable acoustic burden to your collegues.

jangozo

10 Mar 2014, 19:12

My colleagues were ok with me using my Cherry MX Brown Das keyboard at work. Although when asked they did say it was loud so I got some o-rings and they haven't complained at all. The only thing they notice now are the blank keycaps for which I get some strange looks followed by the "WHY?" questions.

Bottom line is you need a mech keyboard in the office because that's where you use it the most so making the right choice is important even if you have to wait. Keep in mind that Cherry Clears are also an option. Also in my opinion Blues are NOT ok for the office unless you're inconsiderate of others.

Findecanor

10 Mar 2014, 22:46

It is not just the switch. The way the sound is transmitted through the keyboard can be significant also.

I find my Cherry G80-series keyboards with PCB-mounted MX switches to be quieter than my keyboards with plate-mounted MX switches. Although, I haven't tested every switch in PCB-mount vs. plate-mount, and I wouldn't be surprised if some keyboards with plate-mount are significantly quieter than others.

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7bit

11 Mar 2014, 12:36

IBM Model M!

Features:
- you will not get fired
- people hear you are working, even if you troll around in forums
- lasts forever
- looks like a real working tool, unlike other keyboards
- comes in 3 different sizes and colors

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Muirium
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11 Mar 2014, 12:39

So… many… asterisks…

DaveYost

12 Mar 2014, 07:15

Noise in the office. Noise in the office. Crap. What did people do before computers, put coffee-cozies over their typewriters? It’s an office, not a library! No! I can remember “back in the days”* when, yes, they actually used typewriters in the libraries. I guess the me-me-me generation… now offices are supposed to be silent. I have a recording of the typing (not “keyboarding”) class I took in about 1963. Manual Royal typewriters. Time for the five-minute timed writing… ready-set-go! Somehow I managed to survive the noise.

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Muirium
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12 Mar 2014, 11:13

True. You guys did get to smoke in the office and try your luck with the typists, though. So it wasn't all bad…

snowyBlinds

03 Apr 2014, 21:48

I get crap from a few people in regards to the noise of my mx brown's. It's rather light hearted though.

If I type slow I can make the mx brown's just as quiet/quieter than the cheap rubber domes supplied by the job. My problem is I belt out upwards of 140wpm at times, and I'm a little heavy on the keys.

I would think that mx browns + o-rings would make for a fairly quiet keyboard. I plan on giving o-rings a shot pretty soon.

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