Model F Keyboard "Authorized" Repair Persons - Any Interest?
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- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F Keyboards
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
While many of those ordering Brand New Model F Keyboards from the group buy are enthusiasts who know how to fix springs and other parts of Model F / Model M keyboards, many would prefer an expert technician instead of trying to self-repair.
I was thinking of putting together a list of DT / GH / r/MK users who would be interested in servicing Model F keyboards, whether with an original one or one of the new buckling spring projects. Payment or in-kind service would be arranged between the keyboard owner and those fixing up the keyboards. To minimize shipping/repair costs I would ask each person to list the state or country/region. Again no ongoing obligation for anyone, just anyone thinking they might be interested. Maybe this thread could serve as a place to leave feedback and recommendations on current or past work done by forum members for others.
My hope for this initiative is to ensure well-functioning Model F keyboards on a continuous basis in the years to come, long after the F62/F77 group buy finishes this year. After three years on the project including hand-testing hundreds of keyboards for this group buy I will be pooped .
Feel free to PM me or reply below if interested in being a repairer or if you need repair work from a community member.
I was thinking of putting together a list of DT / GH / r/MK users who would be interested in servicing Model F keyboards, whether with an original one or one of the new buckling spring projects. Payment or in-kind service would be arranged between the keyboard owner and those fixing up the keyboards. To minimize shipping/repair costs I would ask each person to list the state or country/region. Again no ongoing obligation for anyone, just anyone thinking they might be interested. Maybe this thread could serve as a place to leave feedback and recommendations on current or past work done by forum members for others.
My hope for this initiative is to ensure well-functioning Model F keyboards on a continuous basis in the years to come, long after the F62/F77 group buy finishes this year. After three years on the project including hand-testing hundreds of keyboards for this group buy I will be pooped .
Feel free to PM me or reply below if interested in being a repairer or if you need repair work from a community member.
- taylorswiftttttt
- Location: USA
- DT Pro Member: -
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- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F Keyboards
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
Great! If anyone else is interested or has any ideas for this initiative please let me know.
- rsbseb
- -Horned Rabbit-
- Location: In the heart of the Ozarks
- Main keyboard: Varies
- Main mouse: logitech 570 trackball
- Favorite switch: I dream of a silky smooth Izot
- DT Pro Member: 0112
Great idea, I think would be a nice addition to the forum to have a service list similar to the vendor section that covers more than just the IBM F.
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- Location: UK
- Main keyboard: Filco ZERO green alps, Model F 122 Terminal
- Main mouse: Ducky Secret / Roller Mouse Pro 1
- Favorite switch: MX Mount Topre / Model F Buckling
- DT Pro Member: 0167
If somone in the UK is stuck I can help out. Have quite a few model f rebuilds under my belt . My speciality is the 122 .
- scottc
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- Location: Remote locations in Europe
- Main keyboard: GH60-HASRO 62g Nixies, HHKB Pro1 HS, Novatouch
- Main mouse: Steelseries Rival 300
- Favorite switch: Nixdorf 'Soft Touch' MX Black
- DT Pro Member: -
Not sure if this is the right place but I'll give it a shot anyway. I'm having some trouble converting my F122 - with hid_listen I just see an R05 error (the clock timeout error) and nothing else. I've quadruple checked my wiring and I think it's all right. Anyone here run into this before?
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- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F Keyboards
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
Yes I think this would be a good place to post about Model F related issues too! Whether or not they turn out to require repair service or can be self-repaired.
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- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: Ergodox
- Favorite switch: Gateron Brown
- DT Pro Member: -
I also would like to know because while my Model F XT is in pretty good condition considering the age, I'd love to get it really nice including a refurb of the plate and replacing the foam (in decent condition, could be better).
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- Location: UK
- Main keyboard: Filco ZERO green alps, Model F 122 Terminal
- Main mouse: Ducky Secret / Roller Mouse Pro 1
- Favorite switch: MX Mount Topre / Model F Buckling
- DT Pro Member: 0167
scottc wrote: ↑Not sure if this is the right place but I'll give it a shot anyway. I'm having some trouble converting my F122 - with hid_listen I just see an R05 error (the clock timeout error) and nothing else. I've quadruple checked my wiring and I think it's all right. Anyone here run into this before?
I have had similar issues using a converter. In the end i just replaced the controller
Are you using a pre built one or did you throw one together yourself ?
Does your 122 have dip switches on the back ?
I have 2 122f i had this issue with one but not the other. The one i had issues with had the dip switches , they pull certain lines on the controller high or low. I spend ages testing traces cables and components and in the end i could not get it to work and replaced it .
My second 122F without the dip switches worked out of the box no problems whatsoever with a converter.
If its the clock you could check the crystal and any caps leading to it to see if they are out of spec.
A plate is not an issue , sand , rust treatment if it was very bad and a blast of hammerite/rustoleum and its done.doom2 wrote: ↑I also would like to know because while my Model F XT is in pretty good condition considering the age, I'd love to get it really nice including a refurb of the plate and replacing the foam (in decent condition, could be better).
The issue is the foam. We need to find a suppler of decent foam at a decent price that is easy to cut and stamp to the right size at home. We also need to investigate a possible tool to cut holes at the right size and in the right position. Or how about we get some sort of patterns made for say AT / XT / 122 / 104 and the 4704s and then we can have a supply of each for when a job pops up ?
Don't forget you don't want to over restore an F and make the foam "better" than it was , you want something as close to the original as you can, you don't even need to worry too much about it ( the new stuff) rotting away , many F's where abused to hell and the foam in mot of them is still passable and works after 30 years.
I usually go for a , " if it works don't touch it " when it comes to foam. Sure it would be better to replace it but its a big task and hard to get just right. However if i had a roll of the stuff i could just cut and be done with then i would be happy to replace it every time.
- scottc
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- Location: Remote locations in Europe
- Main keyboard: GH60-HASRO 62g Nixies, HHKB Pro1 HS, Novatouch
- Main mouse: Steelseries Rival 300
- Favorite switch: Nixdorf 'Soft Touch' MX Black
- DT Pro Member: -
Thanks Andrew, it is the one with the DIP switches. I removed the DIP switches entirely for testing but it didn't make a difference. I spoke to emdude on Telegram and he said that his 122 with DIP switches worked fine, so first I'll see if he kept the switches plugged in and see what config he had on them. I made the converter myself, but it's a Teensy I know works fine and I'm pretty confident that the wiring is right.
I might just replace the controller entirely like you suggest though, but after I try the DIP switches. Thanks for all the info.
Did you manage to find anywhere in the UK to source foam, Andrew, even at bad prices? I looked around a few art and hobby shops in London but they only have the very thick foam board, no "art foam" sheets like you'd get in the USA. If I end up on a work trip to the USA at some point in the future I'll try to look there and can grab a few sheets for anyone in the UK or EU who's interested.
I might just replace the controller entirely like you suggest though, but after I try the DIP switches. Thanks for all the info.
Did you manage to find anywhere in the UK to source foam, Andrew, even at bad prices? I looked around a few art and hobby shops in London but they only have the very thick foam board, no "art foam" sheets like you'd get in the USA. If I end up on a work trip to the USA at some point in the future I'll try to look there and can grab a few sheets for anyone in the UK or EU who's interested.
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- scottc
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- Location: Remote locations in Europe
- Main keyboard: GH60-HASRO 62g Nixies, HHKB Pro1 HS, Novatouch
- Main mouse: Steelseries Rival 300
- Favorite switch: Nixdorf 'Soft Touch' MX Black
- DT Pro Member: -
Apparently it's alright if you get them in A4 pages, you just use one page for the numpad and another for the main part.
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- Location: United Kingdom
- Main keyboard: Modded IBM Model F AT
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos 8200
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Springs
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
I can do IBM Model F repairs. I have done quite a few restorations. I'm in the UK. I can do all model F's AT, XT, F122 etc...
Here is one of my restorations: viewtopic.php?t=22111
Here is one of my restorations: viewtopic.php?t=22111
- Redmaus
- Gotta start somewhere
- Location: Near Dallas, Texas
- Main keyboard: Unsaver | 3276 | Kingsaver
- Main mouse: Kensington Slimblade
- Favorite switch: Capacitative Buckling Spring
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
I'm quite good with the hardware side of model F repairs, so I'm certainly down to help with that
Here are a few images from my Unsaver build log:
Here are a few images from my Unsaver build log:
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- Location: United Kingdom
- Main keyboard: Modded IBM Model F AT
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos 8200
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Springs
- DT Pro Member: -
- Contact:
Brilliant we are building a little repair force here
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- Location: United states SC
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F 122/AT
- Main mouse: model o
- Favorite switch: Model f buckling spring
i can also do this i have rebuilt f122 F AT f XT and done some tinkering with my repro f77 i am in US-SC