(Model MF) Remodeling the Model M (aka.. the Mara)
- lot_lizard
- Location: Minnesota
- Main keyboard: Indy SSK Model MF
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Thanks everyone for voting... this is exactly what I wanted to see for the number discrepancies (was too close before). Green it is!!! To andrewjoy's point, we will shop around, and at our potential volume, can afford to be a little picky. Will try to request some samples.
- Techno Trousers
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I like this idea. What would the cap material be made of, and will it stand the test of time? I suspect 90+% of us will just leave those caps in place indefinitely. I do have one Code key, but I don't necessarily want one of my daily driver keyboards to be configured that way and another not (work/home). I get layout confusion when that happens. Years ago I had a nice white Alps board at home (big-ass enter) and an ANSI RD at work. I was working in DOS at the time (dating myself), and the changing position of the backslash drove me bonkers. I can just imagine how annoying it would be if I had a left spacebar mapped to backspace (NMB style) on just one keyboard.lot_lizard wrote: It is three extra barrels that we will just cap (so an impact to the bottom line of about 12 cents). I don't want to impact the schedule with PCB changes though (unless someone wants to take that). The plates are the expensive part about all of this.
- fohat
- Elder Messenger
- Location: Knoxville, Tennessee, USA
- Main keyboard: Model F 122-key terminal
- Main mouse: Microsoft Optical Mouse
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Since the bottom row will also support Unicomp 103-style Windows keys, I will not feel any particular need for more keys down there. But I may build the 2.75+2.75+1.5 and map them all 3 to space bar anyway, just because I can.Techno Trousers wrote: ↑
I can just imagine how annoying it would be if I had a left spacebar mapped to backspace (NMB style) on just one keyboard.
- lot_lizard
- Location: Minnesota
- Main keyboard: Indy SSK Model MF
- Main mouse: Logitech Anywhere MX
- Favorite switch: Beamspring
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This sums me up as well... Actually, I might try this in lieu of the winkeys to gain the two extras without having to alter the shell. Attached is a picture of the cap close-up in any obviously weird spot (sneak peek of the stainless). It is actually a 7/16 cap that I had on hand, where we need 12mm. When a proper size is used, the cap compresses almost completely flat when it locks in place (envision from the second diagram).fohat wrote: ↑But I may build the 2.75+2.75+1.5 and map them all 3 to space bar anyway, just because I can.
- Techno Trousers
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Okay, so a rubber cap in a standard size. That should be fine--even if it disintegrates eventually it should be easy to source a replacement.
- lot_lizard
- Location: Minnesota
- Main keyboard: Indy SSK Model MF
- Main mouse: Logitech Anywhere MX
- Favorite switch: Beamspring
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I should have been more specific. It is LDPE (low-density polyethylene). It might be the last remaining piece of the board after many generationsTechno Trousers wrote: ↑Okay, so a rubber cap in a standard size. That should be fine--even if it disintegrates eventually it should be easy to source a replacement.
- Techno Trousers
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- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
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Awesome. Archaeologists find my FEXT buried with me, and the stainless steel plate has all but rusted away, while the LDPE plugs still look pristine. ;P
- lot_lizard
- Location: Minnesota
- Main keyboard: Indy SSK Model MF
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haha... It is a sad reality that our time will eventually be referred to as the "plastic people". Unfortunately we must contribute in the name of "budget driven" progress. LDPE is number 4 should anyone ever decide to recycle their MFTechno Trousers wrote: ↑Awesome. Archaeologists find my FEXT buried with me, and the stainless steel plate has all but rusted away, while the LDPE plugs still look pristine. ;P
- fohat
- Elder Messenger
- Location: Knoxville, Tennessee, USA
- Main keyboard: Model F 122-key terminal
- Main mouse: Microsoft Optical Mouse
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I thought that you were going to link to the real Plastic People.lot_lizard wrote: ↑
our time will eventually be referred to as the "plastic people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plast ... e_Universe
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- Location: UK
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Samples are good , some greens are good others not so much. ( this is not my PCB so please excuse the terrible font on the silk screen )lot_lizard wrote: ↑ Will try to request some samples.
This green is quite nice , don't know where it came from tho
the generic cheap bright green is horrible
- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
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To borrow one of fohat's images, I assume we would like a PCB color close to the original deep green IBM PCBs?
- E TwentyNine
- Main keyboard: AT Model F w/ Tenkeyless mod
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Is it to late to vote for mauve?
That green seems about right to me.
That green seems about right to me.
- lot_lizard
- Location: Minnesota
- Main keyboard: Indy SSK Model MF
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- Favorite switch: Beamspring
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The smaller xWhatsit WCass refactored, and later changed the connection specifically for us, has been ordered as a prototype from OshPark. They only produce in purple, but will eventually be green.
For those that aren't aware of how much smaller this is than the previous xWhatsit (to save the math... 45% reduction)
For those that aren't aware of how much smaller this is than the previous xWhatsit (to save the math... 45% reduction)
- xWhatsit F rev 2 (what I am currently using): 5.52x1.13 inches (140.11x28.63 mm)
- xWhatsit mini with our connector: 3.38x1.01 inches (85.88x25.55 mm)
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- Techno Trousers
- 100,000,000 actuations
- Location: California
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F-122
- Main mouse: Mionix Naos
- Favorite switch: Capacitive Buckling Spring (Model F)
- DT Pro Member: 0159
Hooray for wcass! Quality work, indeed.
- seebart
- Offtopicthority Instigator
- Location: Germany
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Very nice, great work!
- Hypersphere
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: Silenced & Lubed HHKB (Black)
- Main mouse: Logitech G403
- Favorite switch: Topre 45/55g Silenced; Various Alps; IBM Model F
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I am in awe of the talents of wcass and many other wizards of mechanics and electronics here at Deskthority! Thanks to all of you for your excellent contributions to our community!
- Ratfink
- Location: North Carolina, USA
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Oh, it wouldn't be that horrible. Some fine solder, a decent soldering iron, a lot of flux, and a fair amount of patience is all you'd need. I just hand-soldered a board that looks like a similar level of difficulty, and I didn't have to rip all my hair out or anything.lot_lizard wrote: ↑Paste Stencil (would be a horrible prototype soldering session if this didn't exist)
That does look like a neat little circuit board. I like that it doesn't use so many no-lead packages like the original xWhatsit controllers do. One suggestion though: it looks like both of the buttons are facing in directions that would make them very difficult to press. Turning both of them 180° would probably be a good idea.
- lot_lizard
- Location: Minnesota
- Main keyboard: Indy SSK Model MF
- Main mouse: Logitech Anywhere MX
- Favorite switch: Beamspring
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Okay... I'm FINALLY back in town from across the pond. I tried uploading these a couple of days ago, but my reception was terrible.
You are about to be bombarded by pictures. This would be the latest stainless steel version of the SSK. I have a couple of things to make sure I am in LOVE with, but it really is just about there (would be passable as-is).
This has become my favorite board all over again (mostly a 1395682 with OG APL caps mixed in choice spots). I didn't break out the buffing wheels and rouge, but this will easily look like mirrored chrome with 10-15 minutes of extra effort. I think in the end, it is a mirrored top plate with "engine turned" back.
You are about to be bombarded by pictures. This would be the latest stainless steel version of the SSK. I have a couple of things to make sure I am in LOVE with, but it really is just about there (would be passable as-is).
This has become my favorite board all over again (mostly a 1395682 with OG APL caps mixed in choice spots). I didn't break out the buffing wheels and rouge, but this will easily look like mirrored chrome with 10-15 minutes of extra effort. I think in the end, it is a mirrored top plate with "engine turned" back.
- E TwentyNine
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Wow.
- seebart
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Spoiler:
- E TwentyNine
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Come on. Is there even a question that's a lock?seebart wrote: ↑ You just became a candidate for this: [gold.jpg]
Now that I'm done ogling - are the extra screw holes near navigation a bit of securing that you've realized isn't needed?
Also, what's the function of the rectangular cutouts in a few places?
- seebart
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- Hypersphere
- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: Silenced & Lubed HHKB (Black)
- Main mouse: Logitech G403
- Favorite switch: Topre 45/55g Silenced; Various Alps; IBM Model F
- DT Pro Member: 0038
lot_lizard: Truly stunningly beautiful. You are doing a magnificent job.