[SHIPPING] Granite Set ~ 100% PBT ~ Dye Sub ~ DSA

[fifted]

If only we had more choice for key combinations =(

What does this mean? More sets? Smaller sets?

Looks like I'm the only one interested in the Mono Legend International set
If it doesn't make it, do you think it would be possible to add the € keycap to the "normal" Mono Legend set instead?
Otherwise I would have to cancel my whole order just because of that missing € sign...

€ is pretty awesome. But don't worry, Muirium has to get a set for his mu caps!

[Omikron]

Granite set is good but let me put it in that way: there is almost no flexibility in set combinations.
Some examples.

Lets say there are 3 people with full size keyboards. 1st is ANSI user. 2nd Is ISO user. 3rd is ISO Cyrillic user.

To make a full set 1st user needs Common kit 39$ + Text modifiers 36$ + Numpad 20$ (Total 95$)

2nd user needs Common kit 39$ + Text modifiers 36$ + Numpad 20$ + ISO enter 27$ for english only or additional 31$ for 1 of INTL language kits (Total 122$ or 153$)

3rd user needs Common kit 39$ + Text modifiers 36$ + Numpad 20$ + ISO enter 27$ + Cyrillic kit 28$ (total 150$)

The problem here is that if you need any language other than English - you must buy common kit. But you won't use most of it's keycaps since you only need arrows/function row/numrow /spacebar
There is no other option. There is no Function row or num row or arrows sets at all. You cant compile keyboard without Common kit.

It makes this set rather expensive and doubtful buy.

[matt3o]

I'm a bit sick of this.

Each sub-kit you add you increment the cost of a full keyboard (due to setup fees) and increment production time and sorting errors. We already split the icon from the text modifiers (and I regret it). Now a standard TKL costs more than if we had in just one chunk.

To get the best prices you have to sweet spot between number of kits and flexibility. I believe we did a hell of a job with the Granite set, but haters gonna hate. The international kits have been merged to be able to reach the MOQ even on the less fortunate languages. All the international users help each others. I'm sorry if you don't like the concept.

Also, if you need just one key from a kit, post a message on the forum and try to buy it from someone else who gets the kit and doesn't need that key. I will personally give away all the keys I don't need (basically most of the international).

Lastly. Pricing. Target is 100 for base kit, 50 for modifiers, 25 for all the others (it has been SP that lowered the MOQ to 10, but I set it to 25). So:

Full keyboard: $39 + $28 + $17 = $84
Any ISO full keyboard: $39 + $28 + $17 + $30 + $16 = $130... wait $130 for a sublimated full PBT set including your language? Is really that bad? Or you can grab the blank ISO enter and spare few bucks.

Cyrillic is even cheaper.

[joel]

The common kit just reached MOQ.

[matt3o]

current status

[suka]

Looks like I'm the only one interested in the Mono Legend International set

Don't worry, I'll probably order one, too, depending on future developments - I'm rather disappointed with the lack of interest in the blanks, but well, interests differ...

[Omikron]

matt3o

Indeed it was hell of a job. Nobody even tries to dispute that. But my previous posts were not about prices or target MOQ or how the whole concept should work.

I was trying to tell that I personally would be uncomfortable with buying whole set and using only part of it or mixing different keycaps designs. "The lack of flexibility" is something more common at the end of GB but not at the start of GB. I think I might be not alone.

Maybe these are the reasons that keep some buyers from this set? I don't know.

[matt3o]

I believe people is just waiting for prices to go down a little. At this pace the common kit should reach 100 before the end, and I wouldn't be surprised to see 50% of the orders (for a total of approx 150 common sets) coming the very last few hours.

In a couple of days I'll be back designing and finalizing the legends. I'll start from the cyrillic set, let's see if I can make it right.

[drrtyrokka]

OMG, someone just ordered Icon Mods with Icon RGB. I LOVE UUU!!!

[Muirium]

Wasn't me. But eventually, fingers crossed…

Re: bundling vs. options. Too many choices in this GB! You should have been lazier, Matt! Just out of curiosity, how much would a single kit of common + both mods types have costed? And then a second pro kit of all the internationals, pro mods, Nerdom, mono legends, homing keys and everything else? It would make people wince, but it's a hell of a thought experiment!

[matt3o]

What I know is that common+mods together are $54 at 100 tier. Split they go for $61 at the same tier. I should haven't listened to the IC and done text mods only I guess.

[Muirium]

It's not the 7 bucks that's stopping me from getting in on this. It's all the dollars. This max payment down GB system is ponderous.

[scottc]

It's not the 6 bucks that's stopping me from getting in on this. It's all the dollars. This max payment down GB system is ponderous.

Agreed 100%. SP really need to work on their UX here. I can't (and I'm sure this is the case for a few others) have $200 taken from my PayPal account right now, even if it's only going to cost half of that when the GB goes through.

[matt3o]

I would have simply put higher tiers

[Muirium]

I'd love to see them do it Kickstarter style: you only get charged when things make it at the finish line. They could even email all of us who ordered kits that won't get produced with a warning that we can jump off them, free of charge.

Ultimately this is financially equivalent to what they're doing now, but with less panic!

[matt3o]

well it's a bit different, on kickstarter there are no tiers, you decide how much you want to spend.

[drrtyrokka]

When I ordered at SP, nothing was charged from my paypal account because I handle everything with my bank account and have no money directly on paypal. I didn't get any message that the money is locked. Got an email from paypal which just says, I authorized SP to take that amount from my bank account using paypal. But they will charge the money at the end of the GB and with the correct (hopefully less) price.
You don't have to have money on your paypal account to buy, you can link your paypal account with your bank.

So why everybody is complaining about holds, I don't understand..

Or perhaps I didn't understand how it will be handeled..

[Muirium]

Bear in mind that Paypal is notorious for doing things differently in different countries. They're all about being this one uniform, international system; but how they achieve that is with different legal entities and accounting in every single nation where they operate.

[StylinGreymon]

Because unless you're paying with credit, you actually have to have the money in an account in order to place your order.

It kept me from ordering Macross until basically the last minute, because that's when I'd have the money.

[drrtyrokka]

Bear in mind that Paypal is notorious for doing things differently in different countries. They're all about being this one uniform, international system; but how they achieve that is with different legal entities and accounting in every single nation where they operate.

Good point!

So I can announce to everyone who is ordering with a german bank account:
Do it, you won't lose any money.
If you can't afford the price at the end of the GB, you still can chancel your order at SP.

[matt3o]

When I ordered at SP, nothing was charged from my paypal account because I handle everything with my bank account and have no money directly on paypal. I didn't get any message that the money is locked. Got an email from paypal which just says, I authorized SP to take that amount from my bank account using paypal. But they will charge the money at the end of the GB and with the correct (hopefully less) price.
You don't have to have money on your paypal account to buy, you can link your paypal account with your bank.

So why everybody is complaining about holds, I don't understand..

Or perhaps I didn't understand how it will be handeled..

indeed that's only true for Germany where bank money transfer is very common.

[Muirium]

Your German banks really need to catch up with ours. What's all this serving the customers nonsense? They should be spending their time trying to go out of business by buying each other for the next time they're bailed out. Being too big to fail doesn't happen all by itself you know. Sheesh. Amateurs!

[Acanthophis]

That's why they introduced SEPA. But I don't know if PP handles SEPA the same way as our German Lastschrift (direct debit/withdrawal).

//How long will this GB be open? I remember you said something about a 21 days period, but I can't find an exact end time. I'm stoopud.

[sean4star]

What I know is that common+mods together are $54 at 100 tier. Split they go for $61 at the same tier. I should haven't listened to the IC and done text mods only I guess.

Speaking for myself here, but the icon mods are one of the big things attracting me to this set. I think it's very distinctive and really makes this set stand out. I have plenty of other caps that are text only...

[Muirium]

Exactly. I only have eyes for icon mods.

[matt3o]

well I'm glad you guys like them let's see if we can ramp up the sales

[scottc]

I think most icon mod people are probably in a position like me: only want icon mods, but can't afford the worst possible case of $60 for those mods alone at the current tier. So people are waiting to get them... but if everyone just bought them, they'd go cheaper!

[kakarlsen]

I think the icon mods look great. So far ordered:

Common Kit
Numpad
ISO Enter
Text modifiers
Icon modifiers
International: NO
Text pro mod
Multimedia
Nerdom

(Lost + found)
(RGB Icon)
(7u Space)


The three last ones were on my "maybe"-list. But I added them to the order today.

[drrtyrokka]

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[sean4star]

I'm looking to order:
Common Kit
Numpad
Blue Enter
Icon modifiers

My maybe kits are:
Lost + found (the red arrow keys...are they worth it???)
Extra Homing Keys (Colmak! )
WASD (just for some fun color)
Icon RGB (more color - but maybe too much color?)

Question: In the Icon Pro Modifier kit, what are the double up arrow key (1.25u and 1u) and the 3 layer (paper? servers?) key meant to be?

And one more question: If I order a kit can I remove it from my order later? i.e. if I wanted to just add all my maybe kits now but if they don't reach a decent price tier I can still remove them later.