Brexit: The DT Poll

[Muirium]

Oh boy, we're at it again…

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First thing's first: Arial? Seriously!? Get a grip, government. I'm aghast, I truly am. Won't you ever use a real font?

Anyway, unlike last time, I don't have a strong opinion on this. Up to a year or so ago, I would have gone for Remain because I'm all hip and liberal and shit. But the EU's been acting quite despicably to the refugees in the ongoing Europe-wide crisis (which Britain and the US caused in the first place…) and the way the EU downright mugged Greece really pissed me off. So now I'm not so sure. I think they could use a firm kick up the jacksie.

Yet, to be honest, both of the campaigns here turn me right off voting for either of them. My thoughts on David Cameron are similar to those he had for that pig… and the Little Englander squadron calling for Brexit strike me as just as foreign as the visiting leaders telling us we're nuts for even considering this. Really, this referendum has nothing to do with Scots like me, and everything to do with Tory blue on blue civil war. I'm estranged from it, truly, which is odd for a keen voter like me.

Choose your devils…

Aaargh!

So fuck it. I'll vote how you tell me to. Help me make up my mind! You've got a couple of weeks to do it — I still need to post my ballot in time for the count — and whatever you lot come up with is binding and final. I mean, you might as well have a say in this.

Wise and merciful Britannia awaits.

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Bring it on!


Update: As promised, I respected the wish of the poll. 30 votes for Remain beats 20 votes for Leave. So Remain has it. For this one cross at least.



My ballot is in the mail. Ready for the national count, next week.

[scottc]

My thoughts on David Cameron are similar to those he had for that pig…

You want to make sweet, passionate, squealing love to him?

[Muirium]

Oooh, the squealing…!

[seebart]

Join the brave? There's some truth to that, especially if you stay!

[Muirium]

I was trying to find a shot of the grinning eijits on the Leave side all chimping up for the camera. And then I found that poster, which summed up the crisis of both sides better than I imagined!

[scottc]

Ah, good old Gerry Adams there on the remain side. What a lovely lad.

[seebart]

I like "hair" Boris with the brick. He's such a visual character.

[Muirium]

Boris is a dangerous one. Imagine a more affable and huggable, posh English, dizzy professor version of Trump. He is England's equivalent. A toff for the common man! Popular as hell, and yet just as distrusted. With his daft zigzagging antics, he earns it!

He'd be the next leader of the country if he didn't have lots of enemies in his party, conspiring to stop him. They're allowed to do that. It's all in good fun when you're Tories.

[andrewjoy]

First thing's first: Arial? Seriously!? Get a grip, government. I'm aghast, I truly am. Won't you ever use a real font?

Honestly , from this government i expected comic sans !

[Muirium]

Imagines another ballot they put before the electoral commission:

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Having fun peeking on the results so far. I'll hold off casting my own DT vote until the end. Right now, it's very heavily to one side. But we're only getting started…

[seebart]

Boris is a dangerous one. Imagine a more affable and huggable, posh English, dizzy professor version of Trump. He is England's equivalent. A toff for the common man! Popular as hell, and yet just as distrusted. With his daft zigzagging antics, he earns it!

He'd be the next leader of the country if he didn't have lots of enemies in his party, conspiring to stop him. They're allowed to do that. It's all in good fun when you're Tories.

He's also slightly more intelligent and close to reality than good ol' trumpet. My tipp on the poll is Britian won't leave. It would impress me though.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ll-reveals

[andrewjoy]

Boris is a dangerous one. Imagine a more affable and huggable, posh English, dizzy professor version of Trump. He is England's equivalent. A toff for the common man! Popular as hell, and yet just as distrusted. With his daft zigzagging antics, he earns it!

He'd be the next leader of the country if he didn't have lots of enemies in his party, conspiring to stop him. They're allowed to do that. It's all in good fun when you're Tories.

Wait what Boris is popular ? Not round here he isn't then again Merseyside is not known as a conservative stronghold is it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefton_Me ... gh_Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_City_Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowsley_ ... gh_Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirral_Me ... gh_Council

a sea of red round here!

[Muirium]

Really worked out well for you guys, all these Tory years, eh? You need an independence movement so you can hold the buggers to ransom every once in a while. Recommended!


@Seebart: He's appealing to a different audience of misanthropes and nincompoops. Besides, England expects Oxbridge dons, not your common or garden loudmouths. Even the proles are quite snobby about that.

[andrewjoy]

Really worked out well for you guys, all these Tory years, eh? You need an independence movement so you can hold the buggers to ransom every once in a while. Recommended!

In an ideal world yes, oh and they should put me in charge , but unfortunately you cannot fund a country on wishy thinking ,you need hard cash that such a small and insignificant nation as Northern England would not have. Remind you of another large county council that wanted independence ?

[Muirium]

What do you mean!? The Isle of Wight could totally afford it!

[Stabilized]

I honestly don't believe it will make much difference either way. We are a weird member of the EU anyway at the moment, and I think that it's more of a bargaining position then anything else. The only thing I am worried about it is possible customs on stuff bought here on DT coming from the EU!

[Muirium]

When can we file to join the United States? Might as well make it official. I'd much rather pay customs on European shit than American keyboarding goodness!

[seebart]

When can we file to join the United States? Might as well make it official. I'd much rather pay customs on European shit than American keyboarding goodness!

Then you might be under "trumpet rule" soon!

[Muirium]

All of us are even when we're not in the US. You know how the world works. America elects a dick, and the rest of us share the headache.

Might as well make it up in keyboards!

[Muirium]

5 votes between both sides in this contest.

And apparently I'll get 2 on the day itself, as someone needs me to be their proxy. Given that he's off elsewhere in Europe for his business that day, you can probably guess which way he's instructed me!

[adhoc]

I'd obviously prefer if UK remained in the EU, because I order most of my geeky stuff from the UK (such as pens, inks, mech keyboards & stuff about that, ...), but I completely understand why people want to leave it.

Perhaps the UK leaves, then the V4 countries and EU falls apart. It's very much obviously becoming a non-democratic institution and I'm quite frankly becoming a bit afraid of it - especially of some of the statements you can hear from EU politicians lately. Such as "do this, or we will invade with army (vs Poland)", "there is no democracy when deciding about EU wide laws" and last but not least the latest acquired power of EU to flat out forbid right wing parties. Right wing parties are just as important as left wing parties, it brings balance to the politics. Do you know when was the last time we flat out forbid a side of politics?

Yeah, go figure.

Such a great idea at start, too. Voted for leave.

[jacobolus]

The countries who are most fucked are peripheral states stuck using Euros for currency. As far as I can tell, the UK (or at least rich people there) is doing just fine as a money laundering center / tax haven and US lackey. Most UK problems seem to be caused by English people.

What’s the basis for the English belief that Europe is dragging the UK down? As an American, I can’t really figure it out.

[seebart]

The countries who are most fucked are peripheral states stuck using Euros for currency. As far as I can tell, the UK (or at least rich people there) is doing just fine as a money laundering center / tax haven and US lackey. Most UK problems seem to be caused by English people.

I love your out-and-out clarifications, there is some thruth to that IMO.

What’s the basis for the English belief that Europe is dragging the UK down? As an American, I can’t really figure it out.

I think it's more the "fear" of living under partial forgein (Brussels) rule having to compromise the ancient British brilliance when having to negotiate with the mongos (rest of EU) "on the continent".

[adhoc]

Well there IS some point to main countries (DE, FR, UK) to make money on peripherals' back. Yes, the official statistic says otherwise, but it's like this:

seebart gives me 1€ every day, every year.

At the end of the year I give him 200€! OH MY GOD, TWO-HUNDRED-EUROS?! Oh, the lawdz! Obviously, I am a God and seebart is not worthy of me.

This, in a nutshell, is how EU works.

Sorry, almost forgot, seebart may also no longer grow his own apple trees or spend more than 20% of his total money.

[seebart]

seebart gives me 1€ every day, every year.

At the end of the year I give him 200€! OH MY GOD, TWO-HUNDRED-EUROS?!

I want that back from you in keyboards !! Let me get my list ready what I need.

This, in a nutshell, is how EU works.

Unfortunately that's a fair very reduced summary of it.

[andrewjoy]

Well there IS some point to main countries (DE, FR, UK) to make money on peripherals' back. Yes, the official statistic says otherwise, but it's like this:

seebart gives me 1€ every day, every year.

At the end of the year I give him 200€! OH MY GOD, TWO-HUNDRED-EUROS?! Oh, the lawdz! Obviously, I am a God and seebart is not worthy of me.

This, in a nutshell, is how EU works.

Sorry, almost forgot, seebart may also no longer grow his own apple trees or spend more than 20% of his total money.

But what you missing is who gets that 200 euros, its as if he gives you 1 euro a day and then at the end of the year you give one of his kids the 200 euros , if he kept his 365 euros he would have spent it on gateron switches.

( this is only an example )

That the thing , eruo funding spends money on projects your countries government would never have given the money to in the first place.

[seebart]

Very true Andrew. Who controls what money is going where and what actually happens to it? The estimated number of unknown cases is huge. Tax payers money of course.

[andrewjoy]

Very true Andrew. Who controls what money is going where and what actually happens to it? The estimated number of unknown cases is huge. Tax payers money of course.

I am not saying the situation is perfect by any means, but at least its a way for some of the tax payers money to get spent of public projects , regeneration etc , at least for the UK government they would just horde that money and not spend it .

[seebart]

Very true Andrew. Who controls what money is going where and what actually happens to it? The estimated number of unknown cases is huge. Tax payers money of course.

I am not saying the situation is perfect by any means, but at least its a way for some of the tax payers money to get spent of public projects , regeneration etc , at least for the UK government they would just horde that money and not spend it .

The problem is simple enough; the EU being x10 in size with internal differentiating interests x10 that do not necessarily merge in Brussels. Problem unsolved.

[tp4tissue]

The biggest problem is the Euro..

Britain is significantly more powerful economically.. So leaving would also mean distancing themselves from the Euro which is tied to the other countries which underperform