Unacceptable lies perpetrated by --Rootwyrm--

[tp4tissue]

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Correct, the original problem started when Berserk fan made the shipping errors, This is not in dispute..

What is in dispute, is how --Rootwyrm-- and a few others keep insisting this entire ordeal is a scam.

Berserkfan was admist fixing everything before being PREVENTED from doing so after so many paypal disputes were filed prematurely.

Berserkfan is responsible for the shipping problems

But while he was fixing things, --Rootwyrm-- created a lynch mob which prevented the efforts on part of Berserkfan..

Berserkfan was still around, and Budgeted the $2000 extra to coordinate shipping and swaps between purchasers.

Yes, --Rootwyrm-- is the major problem, because he continues to spew absolute lies that Berserkfan had this scam in mind the entire time, while to the contrary Berserkfan was in contact with many others pulling together possible proxies to redirect packages more cheaply and within the targeted additional refund budget..

I was also possibly going to be one of these proxies.. as I am in the USA

Initially after the --Rootwyrm-- problem, Berserkfan urged me not to say anything on his behalf, because he was so emotionally hurt by that fact that despite his willingness and sincerity to help the affected users, People lynch mobbed around --rootwyrm--..

There is a line, You can say that Berserkfan made a mistake.. But you can not to attack his character and motivations, that is unjust.. as he had no intention to scam anyone..

Lastly, I posted this here at DT for record keep and because there are affected DT USERS who purchased from the Berserkfan sales thread here at DT..

These are the facts.

[scottc]

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey there toilet paper




Don't you think that this is slightly tedious?????????

[Muirium]

"Lulz", as I think they say; or something much to that effect.

[tp4tissue]

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey there toilet paper




Don't you think that this is slightly tedious?????????

I will Decimate and Obliterate All-Opposition to the Truth.. !!

[scottc]

This is now a whisky review thread:

Day 1:

I began the night with a new favourite: the Caol Ila 12 single malt. I've always been a big fan of smokey Islays, and the Caol Ila certainly does not disappoint. My usual weapon of choice, Lagavulin 16, is certainly more rich and smokey in flavour, but the Caol Ila is still a good choice. I give it an 8/10.

Day 1, glass 2:

Since I've already had a couple of glasses of the good shtuff, I've decided to try something else: Locke's Single Malt Irish Whiskey, 8-year-old. I don't normally go for Irish whiskey because the 'e' in the name confuses me since I was rigorously trained by whisky snobs to never include it. Regardless, it's grand. I give it a strong 6.75/10.

Day 1, glass 12:

O;m npt evaxtly sire jow i ednef up in tihs satte biut io rwelly
ok
fick it
o;m goina to bef

[tp4tissue]

This is now a whisky review thread:



I began the night with a new favourite: the Caol Ila 12 single malt. I've always been a big fan of smokey Islays, and the Caol Ila certainly does not disappoint. My usual weapon of choice, Lagavulin 16, is certainly more rich and smokey in flavour, but the Caol Ila is still a good choice. I give it an 8/10.


Since I've already had a couple of glasses of the good shtuff, I've decided to try something else: Locke's Single Malt Irish Whiskey, 8-year-old. I don't normally go for Irish whiskey because the 'e' in the name confuses me since I was rigorously trained by whisky snobs to never include it. Regardless, it's grand. I give it a strong 6.75/10.



O;m npt evaxtly sire jow i ednef up in tihs satte biut io rwelly
ok
fick it
o;m goina to bef

No, This thread is about --Rootwyrm-- Wrongly accusing Berserk fan of a scam..

and of how --Rootwyrm-- and his fellows lied about the facts to forward and serve their own ego

[Muirium]

You want your SHOUTYFONT priveleges revoked?

Now let's get back on topic. Gotta be the Lord o the Isles, lads:



This is what we call a good night in, in Scotland.

[tp4tissue]

You want your SHOUTYFONT priveleges revoked?

Now let's get back on topic. Gotta be the Lord o the Isles, lads:

This is what we call a good night in, in Scotland.

I don't understand why you guys are interrupting a serious issue which also affects at least SOME DT members who have also made purchases in the Berserkfan sale..

This is not the place for whiskey,

But, It is not inconceivable that we'd pour some four roses bourbon together at the end..

[webwit]

Can you use this image with all your posts, for our entertainment?

[scottc]

Jesus Christ, those two on the right are pretty hardcore. I sincerely hope you have those at the start of the night when you can still taste what you're drinking! I have to agree though, Lagavulin is definitely my all-time favourite.

That reminds me... I need to finally visit Scotland and get rightly pished on some of that good stuff later this year.

tp how dare you talk about bourbon are you some sort of fucking casual can't you tell us sophisticated gentlemen are talking about proper whisky

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Camaaaaaaaaan!

actually I am kind of warming to this multiple font size thing

[tp4tissue]

Can you use this image with all your posts, for our entertainment?

I've done nothing but Sincerely preserved the Truth of a tough and slanderous struggle....

[tp4tissue]

Jesus Christ, those two on the right are pretty hardcore. I sincerely hope you have those at the start of the night when you can still taste what you're drinking! I have to agree though, Lagavulin is definitely my all-time favourite.

That reminds me... I need to finally visit Scotland and get rightly pished on some of that good stuff later this year.

tp how dare you talk about bourbon are you some sort of fucking casual can't you tell us sophisticated gentlemen are talking about proper whisky

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Camaaaaaaaaan!

actually I am kind of warming to this multiple font size thing

I've not kept up as a pleb to western liquor..

What's a good whisky to start with?

[Muirium]

DrunkThority!

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[chuckdee]

There are no distortions or lies in anything that tp4 says.

And not whiskey- how about a good liqueur?

[tp4tissue]

There are no distortions or lies in anything that tp4 says.

Absolutely Correct..

Everything I've explained about the situation is straight fact.. --Rootwyrm-- etc, are the direct cause of the poorest solution to the shipping debacle..

Berserkfan is guilty of Negligence, But he is innocent of the intention to Scam. He has also acted 100% responsibly up until the point it became impossible for him to coordinate relief efforts due to the Slanderous meadling by --Rootwyrm-- etc..

[chuckdee]

more insanity

[Muirium]

Call this a cocktail party?

[chuckdee]

[tp4tissue]

more insanity

It might be a joke to you.

But it is not joke to the people actually involved.

What --rootwyrm-- etc have done is blatant lying to justify their own ends.

[Redmaus]

What own ends would that be

Is rootwyrm satan? Does he hate Singapore? Is he berserk's ex or something?

[tp4tissue]

What own ends would that be

Is rootwyrm satan? Does he hate Singapore? Is he berserk's ex or something?

Rootwyrm was among the original early filer of disputes with paypal. So he intended to prove that Berserkfan's sale was an intentional scam to some degree to strengthen// perhaps hasten the case with paypal.


And eventually his posts and many in the original thread devolved into constant name calling, and the lynchmob went full on bloody-murder cult..

So, at this point, Berserkfan's paypal options were frozen due to the claims filed, and he could no longer coordinate the solution that had already begun to be put together..


Berserkfan, despite being distraught at the UNTRUTH spread by -Rootwyrm- had to back away from the situation, because there wasn't anything he could do at that point..


The problem is that -Rootwyrm- continues the onslaught of accusations and wild conjectures of how Berserkfan knowingly created this situation.. against all Proper evidence to the contrary. namely Packages ARE arriving and the value of items in totality is not short of the sales value..

And new packages continue to arrive.. so clearly things were shipped and this was not a scam.

Tp4 has aimed to prove Berserkfan's innocence against the wrongful accusations and lies by --Rootwyrm-- etc..

There is no dispute that Berserkfan was negligent in the package fulfillment phase, but he had no motive to scam, and participated in the solution all the way until -Rootwyrm- made it impossible for him to do so.

[chuckdee]

What own ends would that be

Is rootwyrm satan? Does he hate Singapore? Is he berserk's ex or something?

Inquiring minds wonder. I asked that same question, along with several others. It would be nice if he gave you a direct answer. He's somehow grouped Root and I in the same bucket- so he doesn't answer my questions directly, but cherry-picks what he can distort.

(I'm going with Berserk trashing his keyboard or something. Conspiracy theories are FUN!)

[chuckdee]

What own ends would that be

Is rootwyrm satan? Does he hate Singapore? Is he berserk's ex or something?

Rootwyrm was among the original early filer of disputes with paypal. So he intended to prove that Berserkfan's sale was an intentional scam to some degree to strengthen// perhaps hasten the case with paypal.


And eventually his posts and many in the original thread devolved into constant name calling, and the lynchmob went full on bloody-murder cult..

So, at this point, Berserkfan's paypal options were frozen due to the claims filed, and he could no longer coordinate the solution that had already begun to be put together..


Berserkfan, despite being distraught at the UNTRUTH spread by -Rootwyrm- had to back away from the situation, because there wasn't anything he could do at that point..


The problem is that -Rootwyrm- continues the onslaught of accusations and wild conjectures of how Berserkfan knowingly created this situation.. against all Proper evidence to the contrary. namely Packages ARE arriving and the value of items in totality is not short of the sales value..

And new packages continue to arrive.. so clearly things were shipped and this was not a scam.

Tp4 has aimed to prove Berserkfan's innocence against the wrongful accusations and lies by --Rootwyrm-- etc..

There is no dispute that Berserkfan was negligent in the package fulfillment phase, but he had no motive to scam, and participated in the solution all the way until -Rootwyrm- made it impossible for him to do so.

And Root has no incentive to slander- Paypal has probably already ruled in his favour. It's pretty clear without slander. He and Sky have been very diligent in creating a spreadsheet from the data. And it was from that spreadsheet that I realized that the Granite set had been oversold, so there was no restitution coming. And the silence from Berserk on that in unofficial channels was deafening. That kind of silence and that kind of evidence with nothing else is what prompted my dispute and eventual prevailing in the case. Nothing to do with Root other than the gathering of evidence. And you and your nonsensical railing might cause that one artifact that's been of use to be destroyed.

You should be ashamed of yourself!

And yes, that called for huge fonts to call you out.

[tp4tissue]

What own ends would that be

Is rootwyrm satan? Does he hate Singapore? Is he berserk's ex or something?

Inquiring minds wonder. I asked that same question, along with several others. It would be nice if he gave you a direct answer. He's somehow grouped Root and I in the same bucket- so he doesn't answer my questions directly, but cherry-picks what he can distort.

(I'm going with Berserk trashing his keyboard or something. Conspiracy theories are FUN!)

All of your accusations are wrong.. and unfounded.

It's clear from the aggregate information thus far that people are reporting having received packages, despite getting the wrong items.

Ontop of that, I've already also explained to you why your demand for lip-service and solution so early on in the process of this debacle was impossible and ill-timed..

Though it may not be the case that you've personally been verbally abusive, you've lent agreement and allied with -Rootwyrm- of whom is malicious and slanderous.

Therefore I am grouping you into the section, as part of -the problem-..


It is important to keep in place the correct facts...

[tp4tissue]

What own ends would that be

Is rootwyrm satan? Does he hate Singapore? Is he berserk's ex or something?

Rootwyrm was among the original early filer of disputes with paypal. So he intended to prove that Berserkfan's sale was an intentional scam to some degree to strengthen// perhaps hasten the case with paypal.


And eventually his posts and many in the original thread devolved into constant name calling, and the lynchmob went full on bloody-murder cult..

So, at this point, Berserkfan's paypal options were frozen due to the claims filed, and he could no longer coordinate the solution that had already begun to be put together..


Berserkfan, despite being distraught at the UNTRUTH spread by -Rootwyrm- had to back away from the situation, because there wasn't anything he could do at that point..


The problem is that -Rootwyrm- continues the onslaught of accusations and wild conjectures of how Berserkfan knowingly created this situation.. against all Proper evidence to the contrary. namely Packages ARE arriving and the value of items in totality is not short of the sales value..

And new packages continue to arrive.. so clearly things were shipped and this was not a scam.

Tp4 has aimed to prove Berserkfan's innocence against the wrongful accusations and lies by --Rootwyrm-- etc..

There is no dispute that Berserkfan was negligent in the package fulfillment phase, but he had no motive to scam, and participated in the solution all the way until -Rootwyrm- made it impossible for him to do so.

And Root has no incentive to slander- Paypal has probably already ruled in his favour.

This is correct, which is why --rootwyrm--'s continued course at painting Berserkfan a villain is Slanderous , unnecessary, and perhaps personal, only to save face.

He doesn't wish to admit that he may have been wrong about Berserkfan, who although negligent in shipping, had NO INTENTION of a scam..

There is enough evidence to support that .. and I myself have been in the process since the beginning as Berserkfan was coordinating a proxy shipping solution and budgeting for the most fair refund possible given that not all users will report what they've received, if that package was in excess of what they paid for..

--All such efforts made impossible by the Lynchmob circle built on --Rootwyrm--'s lies.

[Matt_]

You should be ashamed of yourself!

You're talking to a wall.

An obsessive, 15 years-old wall, but a wall nonetheless.

[chuckdee]

What own ends would that be

Is rootwyrm satan? Does he hate Singapore? Is he berserk's ex or something?

Inquiring minds wonder. I asked that same question, along with several others. It would be nice if he gave you a direct answer. He's somehow grouped Root and I in the same bucket- so he doesn't answer my questions directly, but cherry-picks what he can distort.

(I'm going with Berserk trashing his keyboard or something. Conspiracy theories are FUN!)

All of your accusations are wrong.. and unfounded.

It's clear from the aggregate information thus far that people are reporting having received packages, despite getting the wrong items.

Ontop of that, I've already also explained to you why your demand for lip-service and solution so early on in the process of this debacle was impossible and ill-timed..

Though it may not be the case that you've personally been verbally abusive, you've lent agreement and allied with -Rootwyrm- of whom is malicious and slanderous.

Therefore I am grouping you into the section, as part of -the problem-..


It is important to keep in place the correct facts...

I think Sky said it best on GH. Posted again since you seem not to have read it.

So it seems as if we have some confusion on what the directives and incentives are with keeping track of orders.

Goal: To fix the problem of not receiving items. This is the underlying problem. This is the highlighted issue. Rootwyrm isn't the person who really opened up the whole investigation. I did. Because I got something wrong - I reached out to others who were local to see if it was a simple shipping mistake. Upon finding out what was a compounded number of incorrect orders, I took to reaching out to others overseas. That leads us to where we are now.

It was not to slander, defame, call out, target, fraud, or attack a given person. I wanted my stuff that I ordered, confirmed, and paid for. Plain and simple.

The escalation: In a transaction, there is inherit trust between buyer and seller. Even in a sale gone bad, or reversed, there is the understanding that there is an error in communication. There is an acknowledgement of wrong doing, there is an acceptance of the events. There has been nothing of the sort from beserkfan. What we have gotten is deflections, threats, and whining about what was apparently his negligence. Which leads me to the root cause.

Root cause: Negligence. Whether it was intentional to make a profit or not is not important. That is not the problem, nor does it entitle anybody to disregard their responsibilities. Case in point, MANY companies sell goods/services at a loss, willingly. But what they have in common is that they make sure the transaction is completed from start to finished. That is the key communication aspect. But like the saying goes, "judge me not by my words but by my actions." Beserkfan has generally communicated clearly with intentions to sell up until the point of his so-called "shipping". But his actions has been one of negligence in taking no responsibility for his sale or words.

The resolution: Refunds or rectified shipping. I have gone into the investigation hoping that we could solve the problem by having users ship to each other. Maybe it costs us a bit more, maybe it others lose out a bit. That is a given. it is simply not financially viable to have beserkfan redo shipping, that I understand. But since beserkfan has:

1. Not facilitated communication post sales;
2. Not facilitated refunds to standard;
3. Will not rectify incorrect shipments;
4. Has openly stated that he will not take responsibility for those that got more than they deserved (thus others missing out),

It can be concluded that matters will have to be taken by the individuals. This comes in the form of filing complaints and escalating to paypal. I myself has advocated as many people to do this as possible. Not everybody can do so because of Western Union or paypal gifts or moneygram. But those who can, should. If the problem gets rectified, you close the ticket, there is no direct harm. As it is, there is already an open police report in Singapore - a wrong/incomplete bank transaction is means for a police investigation for transaction fraud. Meaning: what Beserkfan did in Singapore is Illegal in Singapore. End of story, intentional or not.

Conclusion: There is an overwhelmingly large amount of evidence of Beserkfan's wrong doing. A single complaint is a singularity, several complaints is a coincidence. A spreadsheet of over $6000 of items either incorrectly shipped, missing, or unconfirmed is malice, intentional or not. By definition that is fraud, and by definition fraud is a scam, and thereby, a scammer.

I've read several times before that maybe I've jumped the gun, made the conclusion too quickly. I want to say that Rootwyrm and I have only started to advocate people filing claims once the spreadsheet had over 120 entries with several hundred dollars of items doublesold. Take that for what you will.

I have unmitigated evidence that I ordered 3 common sets of granite (and other sets). Two other people ordered the full sets of Granite- it's in very high demand. There is no way that all three of us are going to get our items, no matter what Berserk does. So I took myself out of the equation. You can say that its self-serving, and perhaps that's right. But no malice is intended by any of us, as I'm sure that no malice was intended by Berserk. No one has said that. We're just calling a spade a spade... and whether through forethought and intent or not, the facts as you are so quick to say, but not to quote nor reference, stand for themselves.

You should be ashamed of yourself!

You're talking to a wall.

An obsessive, 15 years-old wall, but a wall nonetheless.

You're right, and I shouldn't feed a troll. And shouldn't help with polluting this nice forum with it either. And so, I'm done.

[tp4tissue]

You should be ashamed of yourself!

You're talking to a wall.

An obsessive, 15 years-old wall, but a wall nonetheless.

You are right. I am indeed THE- Text Wall..

I stand between Deceit and Truth..

I defend the Unsung.. I seep light to the Withered, and I will not cave to unrighteous slander..

For the Facts are my Bricks, and Righteousness my Mortar

[tp4tissue]

I have unmitigated evidence that I ordered 3 common sets of granite (and other sets). Two other people ordered the full sets of Granite- it's in very high demand. There is no way that all three of us are going to get our items, no matter what Berserk does. So I took myself out of the equation. You can say that its self-serving, and perhaps that's right. But no malice is intended by any of us, as I'm sure that no malice was intended by Berserk. No one has said that. We're just calling a spade a spade... and whether through forethought and intent or not, the facts as you are so quick to say, but not to quote nor reference, stand for themselves.

The double sold problem is also not in dispute.. This sale was large and because of sheer quantity of items which were all different, involved.. A few were double sold due to payment timing differences and simple mistakes during organization in the PMs, getting hundreds of pms with no search system on geekhack is not simple to sort..

But despite that, you did not have to file a dispute and escalate, perhaps there was a solution or a trade possible with another user for an item you'd be ok with..

OR you could've AT LEAST waited until things were more sorted out once the packages came in to be part of the round of users who would get cash refunds..

Regardless of anything, you could've given more time than the 2 weeks for Berserk fan to coordinate the proper course of actions..

Group buys take months to sort out, and they're far simpler , yet berserkfan was dealing with much more complexity and hit with disputes and escalations by you guys within 2 weeks..

[ohaimark]

Trollollollollol. Looks like someone needs some TP forrrr their bunghole from all the butthurt that has occurred.



In any case, how many items did Berserkfan sell? Managing a big sale isn't difficult -- it's just time consuming to set up a proper inventory system. The multiple selling, even if it was unintentional, was terrible. The shipping was in a shambles. The follow up communications were nothing short of standoffish or nonexistent.

None of those characteristics inspire buyer confidence, so ass covering and intense distrust were a reasonable reaction (if not an ideal one). Saying that Rootwyrm is solely responsible for the defamation of Berserkfan is silly. The seller excavated himself a nice, deep grave. Even if he was helped into it, he's liable for digging it.

I get the feeling that Berserkfan used this:


When he should have been using this:


I'm willing to entertain the fact that Berserkfan is a decent guy who is simply inept or incapable of handling large sales (perhaps due to his "situation"), but what it means is functionally the same for users. Most will look at it like a scam or a broken contract.

Nor, I should add, is it the responsibility of buyers to organize and re-ship items to their proper owners. Could they do so as a community service? Yes. Are they obligated to? No. A buyer should only be held responsible for returns. In this case, returns were only somewhat viable (partially due to the fact that Berserkfan's shipping/inventory system was deeply flawed, thus he had no real 1:1 record of what went to whom).

If you can't sell right or handle contingencies, do not sell things.