seebart wrote: ↑I think you're going quite "overboard" here adhoc ! Did anyone here say the Polish people are "untermensch" ? Would you disagree that the current Polish goverment is moving towards nationalism away from free press? Do you feel personally offended if I suggest that? Forget all those links, I'm talking about you and me discussing this here.
Yeah, you might be right seebart, I might have gone overboard. Sorry.
I just hate the double standard the west loves so much. I'll point it out whenever I can. Anti-anyone rhetoric on a general basis shouldn't be condoned. Except idiots, but funnily enough, the west loves them (looking at you, US and your presidential candidates).
Yes, Poland is moving towards nationalism and I will always critique both extreme left and right, always have, always will. I will critique the nationalism of Poland, but I will also critique EU's decision to enforce their will on what are supposed to be sovereign countries.
Muirium wrote: ↑I never said you're an extremist. I'd describe you as a petty, pedantic debater who seems to be right angry about something but who knows what it is?
Mostly lack of logic!
kbdfr wrote: ↑
Apparently you considered the title of the article as "information" without reading the text that article refers to.
I did, particularly because it is hosted on the EU website and I was afraid there could be a grain of truth in that.
Well, there is not. Not even a grain of a grain of a grain of truth.
The title of the article reads "
Europe To Send Conspiracy Theorists To ‘Reeducation Camps’",
in the subheading it says "
[…] will be forced to attend ‘reeducation camps’"
- First of all, the text is not EU law, but an unadopted proposal submitted by a committee of experts in 2012.
- And most important:
- Not a single word about "reeducation camps" there, not even the slightest hint about it.
- Not a single word about "conspiracy theorists" either, not even the slightest hint about it.
- The whole proposition is about protection against hate crime and hate speech.
After defining what hate crime and hate speech are, it proposes penal sanctions for those convicted of such criminal offenses (not those with, as you put it, "wrong opinion"), and particularly:
"Juveniles convicted of committing crimes listed in paragraph (a) will be required to undergo a rehabilitation programme designed to instill in them a culture of tolerance."
That's all. In the whole document, nothing whatsoever about "
reeducation camps" anybody would be "
forced to attend".
In other words, complete bullshit, as Halvar wrote.
But enough for you to spread without even checking if there is a grain of a grain of a grain of truth to it.
I'm not sure you even read the post and what I wrote with it. I'm also not sure where you took the quotes (I'm guessing they're supposed to quote me? Even though I never wrote that?).
It's forming a thought police or at least they're working on it. Once you set up the framework, you can easily add "criminal offenses" to the list. A really free community would let their members say whatever they wanted, let people sort themselves out. Don't want to be seen next to someone who says this-or-that? Stop hanging out with him. It would work itself out without involving the government.
Besides, that was just one of the links I provided. How do you defend the "democratic" threats of war if a country does not bow to the demands of the EU?
