Brexit: The DT Poll

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Good that I don't have money to bid with

[Muirium]

Bloody hell, the pound is getting gangbanged. Every time I look, it's still getting worse. I want to be paid in Euros now. Like Nige Farage.

[Wodan]

The pound is getting pounded?

I will probably place a larger order at PexonPCS soon And Keyboardco!
Buy 'em clean!

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I bet that those morons who voted to leave are regretting it sorely by now!

[seebart]

The pound is getting pounded?

I will probably place a larger order at PexonPCS soon And Keyboardco!
Buy 'em clean!

But they never have the HiPro in stock!

[BimboBB]

Pound doesnt look too bad. At least he was already way more cheaper against Euro.

[Muirium]

Yeah, looks just great…

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Shit, even my brownfont ran out.

[7bit]

Sure it went down, but isn't sinking like the Titanic!

I demand more shocking sensation!

[tigpha]

Quotes apropos:

"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve."
-- George Bernard Shaw

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."
"If you're going through hell, keep going"
-- Winston S. Churchill

I'm seriously considering putting my English-French dual citizenship to good use. But with current trends in shitty luck, Marine LePen will be voted president of France before I'm able to immigrate...

[kbdfr]

By the way, I think the exit apologists in other EU countries now may have quite a hard time
trying to convince people to go ahead and not just wait and see how the UK is going to cope with the situation.

Which of course means the EU will not be very inclined to help the UK with generous exit conditions.

Not that it would hit people like Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage very hard.
After all, they don’t have to make a living.

[7bit]

In order to avoid Le Pen, the majority willl vote for Mohammed Ben Abbes!

[Muirium]

@Kbdfr: Indeed. Along similar lines to this article:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -eu-reform

Regular Germans are aware of Scotland's separate political existence? In any case, I hope we find the allies we need to do our dance with Exiting Brexit and Entering Europe again!

[OleVoip]

The mere fact that the UK conducted a referendum proves it had not in the least "lost its sovereignty".

In some other languages than English, "sovereignty" can be a synonym of "full possession of control", "confidence", "composure" and "calmness". In all these senses, the British have clearly lost it.

If it wasn't so sad a story, it would be hillarious.

[rootwyrm]

Severed pig's head, with David Cameron's own cock in its mouth, kind of fucked?

There's words for everything when you try!

Hmm, fair point.

David Cameron's severed head, lips wrapped around Nigel Farage's cock, with Boris Johnson behind kind of fucked.

[fohat]

There's words for everything when you try!

Hmm, fair point.

Not the fat cats at the top of the heap. It's the peons, at the bottom of the food chain - who actually voted for this abortion - they are the ones who will have to truly absorb the punishment.

[flabbergast]

Not the fat cats at the top of the heap. It's the peons, at the bottom of the food chain - who actually voted for this abortion - they are the ones who will have to truly absorb the punishment.

Unfortunately not. It's always the middle class who (...voted overwhelmingly for remain...) pays for messes of this scale. The freeloaders just get a pass.

[bubblebobbler]

Not the fat cats at the top of the heap. It's the peons, at the bottom of the food chain - who actually voted for this abortion - they are the ones who will have to truly absorb the punishment.

Unfortunately not. It's always the middle class who (...voted overwhelmingly for remain...) pays for messes of this scale. The freeloaders just get a pass.

pretty much - lots of people are claiming it's "the old people" - which is true, but not the primary factor.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng- ... d-analysis

looking at the graphs, you can see a much tighter and steeper trend between % higher education and social grade.

[tigpha]

In order to avoid Le Pen, the majority willl vote for Mohammed Ben Abbes!

Well, not too long ago, in 2002, the French were confronted with the choice between Chirac and LePen. Voters turned out in droves for the second and final round, wearing rubber gloves, to vote for the lesser evil.

Sadly, there is no second round or run-off vote, no second chance, in any referendum.

[chuckdee]

It's the social grade: http://www.ukgeographics.co.uk/blog/soc ... -c1-c2-d-e

Makes sense now... in more ways than one. And thanks for the link!

[andrewjoy]

Not the fat cats at the top of the heap. It's the peons, at the bottom of the food chain - who actually voted for this abortion - they are the ones who will have to truly absorb the punishment.

Unfortunately not. It's always the middle class who (...voted overwhelmingly for remain...) pays for messes of this scale. The freeloaders just get a pass.

pretty much - lots of people are claiming it's "the old people" - which is true, but not the primary factor.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng- ... d-analysis

looking at the graphs, you can see a much tighter and steeper trend between % higher education and social grade.

This is mainly because the higher educated you are you are more likely to consider the whole picture rather than just "the immigrants are seealn mah jobs".

I guess at this point there is no point in crying about it and we will just have to get on with it. It will be hard and the UK will drop massively in its standing as a Economic powerhouse (hell we have already fallen one place to 6th)

Its a sad sad day for the UK (whats left of it in a few years), if 1940 was Britain's finest hour this is most definitely our darkest.

Its a sad day too for the EU, the project had its flaws but i truly believe it was a stabilising force for the world as a whole, despite what EU officials say this is the beginning of the end, lets hope this puts a rocket up the arse of the EU and we get real change to make it work for the people who are left in it.

My prediction however is it wont be a full brexit , we will become more of a subsidiary partner of the EU, independent in name but not totally separate, i think this would be the best we could hope for for the EU and the UK from the current situation.

[webwit]

The idea that the other side is stupid, is stupid. The idea that the remain camp saw the whole picture, is stupid. I do find it very interesting that the left nowadays stands for the establishment and gets brainwashed to support the 1%, while proclaiming how smart they are and how morally superior they are. While voting for fascist wedding bombers and mass spying, i.e. voting for a worse world.

[andrewjoy]

This was not about the left or the 1% or mass spying or anything else. It was about remaining a member of a huge economy and a massive market. The focus should have been ( for remain) on the positive aspects of the EU, but they fucked it up with a message of fear.

People have made a decision against there own interests weather they believe so or not, i cannot blame them considering the message that was given out, but it was in any reasoned assessment of the facts the wrong decision.

All that being said , the decision is made and we need to make the best of a fucked up situation.

Whats done is done, we have made our bed , now its time to sleep in it.

[kbdfr]

[…] The idea that the remain camp saw the whole picture, is stupid. […]

Well said, but that’s not the point.
Both camps knew what was at stake, but only the leave camp chose the unknown.
In this sense, yes, "the remain camp saw the whole picture" and the leave camp only half of it.

[tigpha]

Its a sad sad day for the UK (whats left of it in a few years), if 1940 was Britain's finest hour this is most definitely our darkest.

I don't know. Britain has in the past, since WWII, brought itself to its knees during the late '60s and '70s. This is why for me the referendum had reverberations of that arguably very dark time, when British voters turned the electoral gun upon themselves.

Its a sad day too for the EU, the project had its flaws but i truly believe it was a stabilising force for the world as a whole, despite what EU officials say this is the beginning of the end, lets hope this puts a rocket up the arse of the EU and we get real change to make it work for the people who are left in it.

I hope you are right: the Brexit was a far greater shock to the world that would have been a less surprising Grexit or other EU member exit. Frankly, I don't think that any politician on any side seriously considered the prospect of confronting a Brexit vote, really.

My prediction however is it wont be a full brexit , we will become more of a subsidiary partner of the EU, independent in name but not totally separate, i think this would be the best we could hope for for the EU and the UK from the current situation.

I agree, dependence on Europe still remains strong, meaning that the rules of the EU will still apply in equal, if not more force than before. Except that UK will not have any sway in how the rules are promulgated. Immigration will still happen in equal, if not more force than before, because the French, Germans, etc. will have no compunction to guard their side of the border.

[Muirium]

Economy vs. immigration. Those were the two campaigns, summed up in a word each. That's where each of them concentrated their fire. And that's the decision the people made. Different nations, different answers. Speaking of which:

Whats done is done, we have made our bed , now its time to sleep in it.

Scuse us. We're taking the pillows.

[andrewjoy]

Economy vs. immigration. Those were the two campaigns, summed up in a word each. That's where each of them concentrated their fire. And that's the decision the people made. Different nations, different answers. Speaking of which:

Whats done is done, we have made our bed , now its time to sleep in it.

Scuse us. We're taking the pillows.

Your not getting out , your a subject of the empire, fall in line or burn!

In all seriousness i have been thinking about possibly looking for a job in Scotland before its too late !

[kbdfr]

I think it will be a full Brexit.
Any generous gesture towards the UK would be an incentive to other exit candidates, the EU cannot want that.
Plus, of course the EU will want the UK to not only take, but also give.
The UK will not be just another non-EU country, but a country which was but chose not to remain a EU country.

[webwit]

Both sides are full of it. Messages of fear. And the brexit voters were apparently the smarter ones to not buy any of the fear-mongering of the establishment. And the remain voters not so smart, while thinking they are smart, which is insufferable.

I'll give you an example. A transport company makes 10 million a year, and pays 5 million in wages to British truck drivers, leaving a 5 million profit. Then they fire the British and replace them for immigrants making much less, who, with their wages, will have poorer lives than the original truck drivers had. They now only pay 2.5 million to the truck drivers. The company now has a profit of 7.5 million.

What you have been fed is that the first situation costs the economy 2.5 million. That the second situation makes the UK 2.5 million. No, the owners, the 1%, earn the 2.5 million. The people lose 2.5 million. Plus the costs of taking in the immigrants were socialized, not privatized, and the costs were 2 million. Plus the social security costs for the fired drivers, also socialized. Note that the production was equal.

And yet the new left will be parroting their masters that 2.5 million has been earned, while proclaiming that the people who know something is wrong, are idiots and racists. I don't think the "uneducated" can make the calculations or know the fine mechanics, but they seem to be a lot smarter in knowing they are being fucked with when fucking banks, run by the 1%, try to scare them. Fucking banks who caused an economic crisis because their bad loans to Greece and such had to be socialized, and their profits not. Maybe people living in a shit town on the east coast have it a little bit easier to see where the costs go (them) and where the profits go (elsewhere).

The big picture as I see it is not about race or nationality. It's about a former situation where the truck company owners made 5m, and the drivers 5m, and a movement towards the owners making 7.5m and the drivers 2.5m. And beyond. And the truck company is of course an abstraction of the British economy. And an abstraction for who the EU has been really working.

[tigpha]

Uneducated does not mean stupid, mind you. Someone smart who's getting a raw deal will know they've been screwed, regardless of education.

[seebart]

I'm pretty sure quite a few people can understand the situation pretty well regardless of their education. One positive thing from the financial crash is that the "average" person learned quite a bit about how the banks operate on a global level and at what speed money is made from nothing but other peoples money. But this Brexit vote seems like a emotional vote for British autonomy when in fact it might get really difficult now.

The British will not be governed from the continent.

I read and saw that several times in the last weeks. Many older brits really have a problem with that. It seems that's what this vote was about for them! Crazy. They already had a pretty good deal. Now they have no deal with Europe.