DSA Retro Set (SHIPPED!)

[Acanthophis]

Nobody has bought anything so far.

I wonder how people that had already bought so many ANSI kits in so many GBs before although they don't use ANSI at all feel about your whining over some couple dollars.


Let's keep the BS out of this thread and discuss things in a mutual neutral way. Appreciated!

[matt3o]

So you are floating the idea of subsidizing your ISO language kits with ANSI sales? I wonder how people that have already bought kits would feel about that.

read closely. ISO kits would have the effect of more Europeans ordering the base kits, hence Americans would get a better price too. win-win strategy.

[rknize]

So you are floating the idea of subsidizing your ISO language kits with ANSI sales? I wonder how people that have already bought kits would feel about that.

read closely. ISO kits would have the effect of more Europeans ordering the base kits, hence Americans would get a better price too. win-win strategy.

But isn't the alpha kit already pegged at the top tier? Selling more won't help at all, will it?

Anyway, all I'm asking for is some transparency. Given everything that has happened in the GB space over the past year, I think the community deserves to know where their money is going. Your awesome site software makes the cost structure very clear. People spend their money on the kits they want and they can see how those choices affect the price. By doing what is being proposed, aren't you undoing some of that transparency? That makes me a little bit sad.

[matt3o]

But isn't the alpha kit already pegged at the top tier? Selling more won't help at all, will it?

there's not only alpha, Europeans order other kits as well so the average cost of the whole set goes down anyway.

Anyway, all I'm asking for is some transparency.

more transparent than showing you the real raw cost of the keycaps as quoted by signature plastics... I wouldn't know what to do.

[BimboBB]

So you are floating the idea of subsidizing your ISO language kits with ANSI sales? I wonder how people that have already bought kits would feel about that.

read closely. ISO kits would have the effect of more Europeans ordering the base kits, hence Americans would get a better price too. win-win strategy.

But isn't the alpha kit already pegged at the top tier? Selling more won't help at all, will it?

Anyway, all I'm asking for is some transparency. Given everything that has happened in the GB space over the past year, I think the community deserves to know where their money is going. Your awesome site software makes the cost structure very clear. People spend their money on the kits they want and they can see how those choices affect the price. By doing what is being proposed, aren't you undoing some of that transparency? That makes me a little bit sad.

Why isnt that transparent? Its even posted here in the forum, for everybody clear to read! He can even write it into the GB form, and everybody who doesnt agree subsidizing something can change/cancel his order. Dont be sad!

[rknize]

Perhaps I am jumping the gun a bit. I'll stay happy for now and see what happens.

[matt3o]

please note that what has been suggested by 7bit, even though very tempting, can't be practically done for various reasons.

[rknize]

Maybe for RB (round blue)?

Also, for the record, I understand the pickle that the folks wanting their individual language layout are in. It's just a bit tricky from the GB perspective, since the goal is to gather buying power toward a common goal. Adding a small percentage across the entire GB is definitely an option, so long as this is made clear from the start. Doing it after we have a huge pile of orders is not so nice. I, personally, am happy to throw in a couple of extra greenish-tinted fiats to help you guys get the keys that you want. I think most others feel the same way.

[matt3o]

DEADLINE SET TO 2013-02-18 23:59:59 GMT

[zulios]

Side questions :
- Would your second proxy accept to add more kits, other colors blanks for example ?

- Do you have enough money collectors ? With the current flow of orders one person will not be enough...

[matt3o]

Side questions :
- Would your second proxy accept to add more kits, other colors blanks for example ?

the second proxy will only handle the ISO kits

- Do you have enough money collectors ? With the current flow of orders one person will not be enough...

this is a samwisekoi issue, but I believe we should be okay.

ps: I don't know why all these problems with paypal limits, I sent them some documentation and they waived any limitation

[rknize]

ps: I don't know why all these problems with paypal limits, I sent them some documentation and they waived any limitation

What documentation did you send them? Here in the US, they will automatically file with the IRS if you exceed their $20k/200 transaction limit. There is no easy way for an individual to demonstrate that this is not simply "income". We'd have to file a form for each person that sent us money do get a paper trail going. Most GB organizers that have been nailed so far due to PayPal have just paid up out of their own pocket.

[matt3o]

okay that makes sense. I use my account for business so I don't have those sort of issues (it is meant to receive high volumes).

[zulios]

Thanks for the answers Matt3o
I was indeed thinking samwisekoi might get in trouble due to these limitations, since you seemed to be surprised by how fast the orders came in.

[Jmneuv]

they will automatically file with the IRS if you exceed their $20k/200 transaction limit.

PP is the worst in every regard..
Sorry, it was time for it to be said once more.

[matt3o]

Thanks for the answers Matt3o
I was indeed thinking samwisekoi might get in trouble due to these limitations, since you seemed to be surprised by how fast the orders came in.

he is doing all the paperworks needed to have that sorted out

[7bit]

So you are floating the idea of subsidizing your ISO language kits with ANSI sales? I wonder how people that have already bought kits would feel about that.

The prices will be slightly higher anyway, to cover whatever costs, so nobody at GH will ever notice!

please note that what has been suggested by 7bit, even though very tempting, can't be practically done for various reasons.

I did this in Round 3 and 4.


BTW: Is it possible to pay in EUR?

[bpierre]

Thanks for the efforts matt3o

I got everything for my noppoo choc mini except:
- spacebar, but since it's a non-standard 5.5, it was expected
- 1.75 backspace and 2.0 capslock (for colemak), the 1.75 modifiers set is really too expensive ;(

I also ordered some blanks for an ergodox set, is it possible to get some blank 1 unit keys with deep dish (or nipple) for the index positions on the home row?

[matt3o]

I did this in Round 3 and 4.

It's not feasible because the US proxy is not willing to do that.

BTW: Is it possible to pay in EUR?

all payments will be in $ I'm afraid.

edit: Except if you pay by bank transfer from Eu. In that case we can do in Euro.

I also ordered some blanks for an ergodox set, is it possible to get some blank 1 unit keys with deep dish (or nipple) for the index positions on the home row?

no more new keys sorry. anyway we are organizing a sister group buy for ISO characters.

[matt3o]

Is there any European willing to pay by bank transfer?

[Gilgam]

Is there any European willing to pay by bank transfer?

I do, but only from my caiman's account

[Merijn]

I'd love to pay with BIC/IBAN if possible.

[dirge]

read closely. ISO kits would have the effect of more Europeans ordering the base kits, hence Americans would get a better price too. win-win strategy.

^ This exactly, if European's bring you down two price tiers why complain? Everyone can be happy.

[RC-1140]

I would be willing to pay my order by bank transfer as well.

[Kurk]

IBAN/BIC please.

[matt3o]

mh ok it seems there's interest in something like that.

I'll talk about it with samwisekoi

edit: consider that payments via bank transfer must be done very quickly (right after the orders freeze)

[Kurk]

Question: what makes the mod175 so expensive? Twelve keys for >250 USD

[matt3o]

Question: what makes the mod175 so expensive? Twelve keys for >250 USD

I believe that uncommon combinations require more man work, hence higher price.

[7bit]

All of the keys in Kit 11 are in other kits which got quite a lot of orders, so there is no reason to have such a high price for it.

Kit 10 is a bit different in that respect. I really don't get the point why you don't add some little to high volume kits to cover these costs. I also made low quantity kits more expensive, but I never in that way you do this here.

I will remove both kits from my order (I'm currently the only one who ordered these, I think) when these prices stick out that much.

Some of the 1.75 units keys are necessary for a lot of keyboards (G80-1800 and NoPoo).

[Gilgam]

Some of the 1.75 units keys are necessary for a lot of keyboards (G80-1800 and NoPoo).

do you mean the right shift ?