Chyros wrote: ↑Oh jeez, what a mindfuck Oo . If there is an ISO FK-2001, what is the FK-2002?Hypersphere wrote: ↑ISO Focus 2001 White Alps
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focus-FK2001-Me ... SwNRdX2e7m
You know damn well what it is. This is the FK-2002 to get BTW:
But it must have an unknown super rare SKCM varaint!
No really, look at it. It's a US-ISO board and it has the 2001 badge AND label and everything Oo . What the fuck were Focus doing now?!seebart wrote: ↑Chyros wrote: ↑Oh jeez, what a mindfuck Oo . If there is an ISO FK-2001, what is the FK-2002?Hypersphere wrote: ↑ISO Focus 2001 White Alps
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focus-FK2001-Me ... SwNRdX2e7m
Quite strange. But no "ÖÄÜ" or Euro counterpart. This strangeness actually makes this one more valuable.
That's right, my guess is someone did some keycap swapping. I doubt Focus Electronics shipped this FK-2001 like that.Darkshado wrote: ↑Seebart, also notice: the ~ ` key in the upper left comes from an ANSI board also has a different shade while the |\ key would have been sourced in an UK ISO set and usually placed next to the small left shift.
I asked the seller about that Phillips and he does not know and there is no label on it. The alps branded keyboard is the ICL One Per Desk with Alps semi-integrated domes. Not a switch you want to type on for long.Slom wrote: ↑Does anyone know whats in these:
old Philips keyboard
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Philips-PC-Tasta ... 2131910200
alps branded keyboard
http://www.ebay.de/itm/ALPS-Computer-Ta ... 2131880817
It still has an ISO enter though, you can't just keycap swap that. Whatever it is, it's weird, and definitely not a normal 2001.seebart wrote: ↑That's right, my guess is someone did some keycap swapping. I doubt Focus Electronics shipped this FK-2001 like that.Darkshado wrote: ↑Seebart, also notice: the ~ ` key in the upper left comes from an ANSI board also has a different shade while the |\ key would have been sourced in an UK ISO set and usually placed next to the small left shift.
It could also be a FRANKEN FK-2001/2002 where someone also swapped the case and some keycaps.Chyros wrote: ↑It still has an ISO enter though, you can't just keycap swap that. Whatever it is, it's weird, and definitely not a normal 2001.seebart wrote: ↑That's right, my guess is someone did some keycap swapping. I doubt Focus Electronics shipped this FK-2001 like that.Darkshado wrote: ↑Seebart, also notice: the ~ ` key in the upper left comes from an ANSI board also has a different shade while the |\ key would have been sourced in an UK ISO set and usually placed next to the small left shift.
If you are talking about an IBM, you will have to separate the layers to add a pivot plate/spring assembly (aka "flipper") in the spot you want to activate. To deactivate one, you will also have to take them apart because if you leave the pivot plate ("foot") inside it will just rattle around in the down position.y11971alex wrote: ↑
Is it possible for me to swap a short left shift for a long one on a 122-key terminal board by simply plucking out the spring under the [><] key and sticking the new one? Or would the flipper itself need to be removed as well?
I am talking about an IBM. Can I simply soarer it to ignore that position?fohat wrote: ↑If you are talking about an IBM, you will have to separate the layers to add a pivot plate/spring assembly (aka "flipper") in the spot you want to activate. To deactivate one, you will also have to take them apart because if you leave the pivot plate ("foot") inside it will just rattle around in the down position.y11971alex wrote: ↑
Is it possible for me to swap a short left shift for a long one on a 122-key terminal board by simply plucking out the spring under the [><] key and sticking the new one? Or would the flipper itself need to be removed as well?
Interesting question. No idea what the answer is.y11971alex wrote: ↑
I am talking about an IBM. Can I simply soarer it to ignore that position?
No way, man. Look how correct all the caps are. All the caps would have been perfectly swapped for US ones, and the |\ and blank keys look like they're in perfect profile, which they wouldn't have been if they came from a 2002. Moreover, apart from the ~` key, they're all the same shade. The blank key isn't even on any Focus keyboard, or any Alps-mount board that I know of, in fact. Moreover, it's in the US, not in Europe. Besides, why would anyone do a case swap between a 2001 and a 2002? All it would change is the label on the back.seebart wrote: ↑It could also be a FRANKEN FK-2001/2002 where someone also swapped the case and some keycaps.
No I don't think so. The fact that the " ~`" keycap is yellowed and it's the only key that is yellowed says it all. I have seen blank Alps-mount keycaps, just not on the FK-2001. And if this is board is genuine, what is this layout called then and why have we never ever seen anything like it? It's FRANKEN. Of course one can swap the entire case on the FK-2001.Chyros wrote: ↑No way, man. Look how correct all the caps are. All the caps would have been perfectly swapped for US ones, and the |\ and blank keys look like they're in perfect profile, which they wouldn't have been if they came from a 2002. Moreover, apart from the ~` key, they're all the same shade. The blank key isn't even on any Focus keyboard, or any Alps-mount board that I know of, in fact. Moreover, it's in the US, not in Europe. Besides, why would anyone do a case swap between a 2001 and a 2002? All it would change is the label on the back.seebart wrote: ↑It could also be a FRANKEN FK-2001/2002 where someone also swapped the case and some keycaps.
No question about it, that board's genuine.
What pisses me off is that we will never find out. I've had keyboards with selective yellowing, it's not that uncommon. But keys with equal yellowing from different boards, now that's quite rare. What's the chance of all the US keys having yellowed to the exact same degree as the native keys? Oo What keyboards do you know with blank Alps-mount caps? Especially in that row? Or some of the other keycaps, like the | key, which I'm not sure I've seen in that row before. I don't know what this layout is called, but let's be honest, that's never stopped Focus from making it, and second, a similar layout exists on for example the F122 (ISO US).seebart wrote: ↑No I don't think so. The fact that the " ~`" keycap is yellowed and it's the only key that is yellowed says it all. I have seen blank Alps-mount keycaps, just not on the FK-2001. And if this is board is genuine, what is this layout called then and why have we never ever seen anything like it? It's FRANKEN. Of course one can swap the entire case on the FK-2001.Chyros wrote: ↑No way, man. Look how correct all the caps are. All the caps would have been perfectly swapped for US ones, and the |\ and blank keys look like they're in perfect profile, which they wouldn't have been if they came from a 2002. Moreover, apart from the ~` key, they're all the same shade. The blank key isn't even on any Focus keyboard, or any Alps-mount board that I know of, in fact. Moreover, it's in the US, not in Europe. Besides, why would anyone do a case swap between a 2001 and a 2002? All it would change is the label on the back.seebart wrote: ↑It could also be a FRANKEN FK-2001/2002 where someone also swapped the case and some keycaps.
No question about it, that board's genuine.
I guess we'll have to disagree then :p . I think the chances that someone robbed a bunch of caps off an FK-2001 with the exact degree of yellowing and a blank cap from an Ortek with identical yellowing as well and stuck them on an FK-2002 and swapped the case for a 2001 seems way too remote to me to seem realistic.seebart wrote: ↑No Tom we can agree to disagree on this one. That's VERY selective yellowing then, which may be possible but quite uncommon. I don't know the F122 (ISO US) but I believe you, but this is not IBM. You and me know that the FK-2001 was produced in large numbers, if this is real it's a super rare variant. I'm still sceptical, it's very easy to swap cases and keycaps for any rows. I have seen an Ortek with a blank Alps-mount cap and yes that is rare to see on Alps-mount keycaps but not as rare as this FK-2001.
ISO/IEC 9995
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_9995
. ...just have a full review ready by next week. 
Chyros wrote: ↑The blank key isn't even on any Focus keyboard, or any Alps-mount board that I know of, in fact.
Good point! It's in a different row though, I think it would've been possible to spot the difference in profile. And yellowing. I guess this keyboard is going to be a mystery regardless though xD .u-ra wrote: ↑Chyros wrote: ↑The blank key isn't even on any Focus keyboard, or any Alps-mount board that I know of, in fact.
Some K104s have blanks. w/images/0/06/Monterey_K104_front_view_alternate.jpg
