Tim Cook's letter to customers

[vivalarevolución]

You don't need to either viva. But everyone is entitled to their opinion about the man. I saw a BBC documentary about him recently, very interesting.

Sorry, I can't help it. I think my dissatisfaction mostly lies in the electoral system that allows extremism to gain a leading voice in a media spectacle. I'll try to limit my grievances to that.

[seebart]

Oh don't get me wrong, go on all you want. I don't mind, I'd say every post more about that man is a waste of time. Let's see how "super tuesday" goes then. Yeah the US electoral system seems pretty odd.

(deleted trump-related rant)
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Why deleted? No need for that IMO.

[vivalarevolución]

Oh don't get me wrong, go on all you want. I don't mind, I'd say every post more about that man is a waste of time. Let's see how "super tuesday" goes then. Yeah the US electoral system seems pretty odd.

(deleted trump-related rant)
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Why deleted? No need for that IMO.

I expect better developed rants from myself. I am, after all, sustaining the revolution.

[Muirium]

Chris Christie knows he picked the right guy…

http://www.newstatesman.com/2016/03/wat ... ory-speech

…to earn his very own little plot in Hades!

[seebart]

Well who can blame him. He signed on to "crusade unknown".

Why not make it more fun:

http://mashable.com/2016/03/01/super-ma ... fkoCDb8kqM

[Ray]

There is no perfect world where no one has guns. But at least you can shoot back in America.

You should really expand your horizons (literally and figurartively) at some point and go to a western country outside of the americas. Where I live, there is no reason to shoot back, since nobody is shooting at all. And that's not because of my good neighborhood.

Please also note that this also affects how police forces interact with you. If you get pulled over in germany, the police expects you to grab something from your glove compartment. There is a near zero chance any side will draw a gun, even if the person stopped is guilty in one way or the other. The absense of gun control does not only kill people!

[seebart]

Of course it also helps that it is quite difficult to get a gun permit in Germany in the first place. But the handgun situation in the US also has a lot to do with the history of the states and their laws. One cannot compare countries like that. But you are right Ray.

[Muirium]

Exactly. Guns just aren't worth the death toll they cause. There's almost zero gun crime in Europe because there are almost zero guns out there in public. Criminals here mostly use knives, or no weapons at all.

Ever heard of someone, anyone, shooting back at one of these mass murders America suffers so many times a year?

Seebart's point about American history is the reason you guys are stuck with so much needless murder. Guns are a key component of American identity. For now. One day they will go the same way as slavery and segregation. But not today.

[seebart]

OK I found a good edit of this for anyone who missed it this is the Rubio Trump slam that was fun:

[webwit]

The Amsterdam crime scene has been violently liquidating each other with guns for years now. From the top guys to widows and family members of the little guys. It's a war.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 23371.html
That article is from 2014. In 2015 it got worse:
http://www.nu.nl/dvn/3988401/overzicht- ... erdam.html

[Redmaus]

Seebart's point about American history is the reason you guys are stuck with so much needless murder. Guns are a key component of American identity. For now. One day they will go the same way as slavery and segregation. But not today.

[fohat]

It is hard for me to watch this thread and not reply, but I will not speak here and simply quote someone else:

"One reason there are so many American Leftists who self-righteously — and self-defeatingly — reject working in the Democratic Party is they feel that making that compromise would literally be “immoral.” Politics is not an arena in which to find “morality” — if that’s what you want, join a church instead. Politics, both in and out of the electoral system, is a series of strategies and tactics to be used or abandoned according to whether or not they work to put your ideas into practice and enact them into public policy. It is not an arena for personal growth or expressing your “morality.”

Closely allied is the delusion many American Leftists have talked themselves into that there is “no difference” between the Republican and Democratic parties. Anyone who’s watched any of this year’s Presidential debates would be quickly disabused of that notion.

But the Republican and Democratic parties differ profoundly in how they propose to maintain capitalism, and the Democratic Party still believes that government has a right — and, at least in some instances, a duty — to intervene in the economy and put brakes on the ability of corporations to exploit their workers, and the public as a whole, to seek profits no matter what."

- Mark G. Conlan 2015

[webwit]

Hmm I find it quite insufferable if someone obviously partisan like Mark G. Conlan, whoever the fuck he is, defines the Truth as if it is not mere human fallible opinion. Join the club with your opinion.

[vivalarevolución]

The Amsterdam crime scene has been violently liquidating each other with guns for years now. From the top guys to widows and family members of the little guys. It's a war.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 23371.html
That article is from 2014. In 2015 it got worse:
http://www.nu.nl/dvn/3988401/overzicht- ... erdam.html

Unfortunately, criminals hardly liquidate themselves. They just breed more criminals. Add that to the undeniable statistical correlation between loose gun laws, availability of guns, and increased frequency of gun related homicides/suicides.

Indianapolis set a record for homicides last year at 150. Combine that number with suicides by gunshot and it's over 200.

There was a shooting in the parking lot of the ice cream shop near my house last month. Like what the fuck. It's an ice cream shop. I go there at least a couple times per month.

[Muirium]

"I DID NOT ASK YOU FOR PISTACHIO!"

Guns are the ultimate empowerment for imbeciles. They turn fistfights into gunfights, bruises into bullet wounds. Guns don't kill people. Jumpy idiots armed with guns kill people.

[seebart]

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[Chyros]

Indianapolis set a record for homicides last year. Combine that number with suicides by gunshot and it's over 200.

Wow. Just... wow. That's more than the total amount of homicides in my entire country xD .

[ohaimark]

America needs gun control at the very least. We'll never get around to banning guns because A) we have a blatant disregard for the lives of most people and B) amending the constitution is a pain in the ass.

If we're licensed, tested, and otherwise evaluated to drive cars... Why the heck shouldn't we have an equivalent for guns? Guns are specifically made to injure and kill, whereas cars are incidentally deadly.

[Redmaus]

Gun control doesn't save as many lives as you think. All it does it leave guns in the hands of criminals.

France has gun laws that are far more strict than the ones in California, and the Paris attacks still happened.

Criminals will acquire guns no matter what. All you do is disarm the law abiding citizens.

My family has dozens of guns, and we use them responsibly. We have a constitution that matters. Guns in America will never go away. Unless you get two thirds of every state legislature, including Texas.

[vivalarevolución]

Indianapolis set a record for homicides last year. Combine that number with suicides by gunshot and it's over 200.

Wow. Just... wow. That's more than the total amount of homicides in my entire country xD .

Many Americans have no clue about the scale of our gun violence compared with other "developed" nations. It's staggering.

Also, related to suicide attempts, gunshots to the head are very effective. No other form of suicide is nearly as effective.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matte ... -fatality/

[Redmaus]

Please don't tell me that you think suicide is going to stop if you get rid of guns. People will move on to the next effective method.

Also, with all the riots going on in europe right now, I wouldn't be surprised if you guys don't try to acquire some firearms soon.

[seebart]

Well we certainly have both sides present here. Interesting how I lived in the US for over ten jears (east coast only) and never came into direct contact with a gun once.

Also, with all the riots going on in europe right now, I wouldn't be surprised if you guys don't try to acquire some firearms soon.

Oh people are, just it's slightly harder to get one. One can't just walk into a gun store and buy one.

[ohaimark]

Criminals will acquire guns no matter what. All you do is disarm the law abiding citizens.

Yes to sentence one. Partial yes to sentence two.

Also, suicides won't stop, though they may drop slightly. Shooting oneself is relatively quick and difficult to botch compared to other common methods. Hanging? Ouch -- you could slowly suffocate if you do it badly. Jumping from tall things? Scary. Pulling a trigger? Oh, that's comparatively easy.

Gun control may lower the numbers of law-abiding citizen gun owners. News flash: guns aren't necessary for everyday life, so most people never get one. A minority of the population owns the majority of guns. Also, most law-abiding citizens are idiots. I don't want idiots carrying deadly weapons. Think of people you know who would handle a gun badly... And those same idiots would neglect proper training if they got weapons because, let's face it, the citizens of the U.S. are generically lazy.

Serious gun owners and empowered citizens would still be able purchase, collect, and carry firearms. They'd be educated, tested, and otherwise vetted.

A trained, militia like group of empowered citizens carrying guns would be a totally different animal. I'd love to see a majority of the population carry guns if they could become a part of that demographic.

In conclusion, I'd much rather have serious people who must take tests, both on handling and psychology, own guns than allow everyday Joes to go pick up whatever they want at the local Field & Stream outlet.

[Madhias]

I like these ads by the way:

[vivalarevolución]

No, suicide will not stop. We can never 100% prevent suicide.

But suicide causes unnecessary pain and heartbreak for those affected by it, and prematurely ends of the life of a person that still has something to give this world and the chance be healthy and happy.

If a suicide attempt fails, a person has the opportunity to recover. The people that love them still have the opportunity to experience them. By reducing the access to guns, we also reduce the probability that a suicide attempt is successful and a person is lost forever. We create more opportunity to live and prevent unnecessary deaths.

Stricter access to guns does not stop suicide attempts. But statistics point to a correlation between stricter gun laws and rates of suicide. While cause and effect is difficult to prove, the statistical correlation is undeniable.

http://www.hcn.org/issues/SecretsOfTheD ... s-by-state

Guns as a tool to harm others and yourself are way more effective than almost anythjng else you can carry on your person. I argue that they should be restricted for the harm and threat that results from this effectiveness.

The argument that they should be regulated like the ability to drive a vehicle is an apt one. Dangerous tools should require adequate safety training.

[Redmaus]

I can see where you are coming from. Although I think poison or overdosing on medication would work too and those relatively painless. But taking away the how isn't the way to stop suicides, its taking away the why.

I went through an NRA class before I even touched a gun. I think proper education is necessary. Society will always be idiots without education. Not to mention, idiots will always have access to deadly weaponry when you think about it. Automobile deaths are wayyyy more common than guns related ones. Its hard to think about what to do there. Ban all cars?

A militia isn't a bad idea either. But one thing that worries me about that is then the average joe can't protect himself when someone breaks into his house. Personal protection if something to take into account too.

[fohat]

B) amending the constitution is a pain in the ass.

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-pau ... nts-2014-6

[Redmaus]

I like these ads by the way:

That's reaching really far

[vivalarevolución]

Of course the why of suicide is as important than the method. That is a whole host of other issues, unrelated to firearms.

Poisoning and overdose are less effective than firearms, as noted in one of my linked articles.

[Redmaus]

Sorry the article you linked is blocked on my school WiFi