IC/Discussion on beige set

Muirium · 30 Aug 2013, 10:55

Hmm. Is the moulding there to make all the plastic we need for a full PBT DSA or SA set? Because there's always the simple option: blanks. I am not against them!

Wonder if I can draw Helvetica…

matt3o · 30 Aug 2013, 11:14

yes molding is fine, we just miss the printing heads

Muirium · 30 Aug 2013, 11:16

Perhaps there's hope after all. I'd love a nice set of spherical PBT blanks.

How do DSA and SA compare on availability of PBT moulds?

matt3o · 30 Aug 2013, 11:27

we miss too many keys in SA PBT

Muirium · 30 Aug 2013, 11:30

Got a quick list? I'm thinking of custom layouts more than just compatibility with off-the-shelf keyboards.

matt3o · 30 Aug 2013, 11:38

Muirium wrote:Got a quick list? I'm thinking of custom layouts more than just compatibility with off-the-shelf keyboards.

I'm with you on that but we have to reach high tiers to get a nice price. 80% of sales are standard TKL.

Muirium · 30 Aug 2013, 11:45

I assumed that high volumes were needed mostly because of legends. With blanks (and a single profile) all 1.25 keys are identical, while with doubleshot you need to make separate Alt, Ctrl etc. etc. caps which all need volume. Dyesub is somewhere in between I suppose. The caps start as blanks but then need specific dyeing.

matt3o · 30 Aug 2013, 11:53

by standard TKL I mean printed TKL (not-blank). The good part is that printed caps help to bring the blanks cost down in dye-sub (as you said)

Vierax · 14 Sep 2013, 08:48

Muirium wrote:I assumed that high volumes were needed mostly because of legends. With blanks (and a single profile) all 1.25 keys are identical, while with doubleshot you need to make separate Alt, Ctrl etc. etc. caps which all need volume. Dyesub is somewhere in between I suppose. The caps start as blanks but then need specific dyeing.

The pill is hard to swallow… (I don't know if this expression is correct in English)
As you said, their heating heads are more flexible than DoubleS mould so they can be quickly made profitable. And what kind of company make pay the high price to a client for their replacement parts instead of having a dedicated budget previously made and recuperated progressively with future orders ?? They know KB enthousiasts, it wont be the last GB in dyesub pbt SA or DSA.

Matteo > Did you investigate to know why this crazy fee doesn't happened with the Sindarin set?

matt3o · 14 Sep 2013, 12:24

Vierax wrote:Matteo > Did you investigate to know why this crazy fee doesn't happened with the Sindarin set?

SP is a smaller company than it may seem. they simply make silly mistakes.

matt3o · 20 Sep 2013, 11:26

I had a lengthy discussion with SP... this might be still feasible. Let them refine the spacebars first and then I'll see if we can waive that $6000 fee.

Muirium · 20 Sep 2013, 11:45

A spherical dyesub PBT set complete with PBT space bar… good luck with negotiations! There's a job for you at the United Nations if you can pull this one off.

Vierax · 20 Sep 2013, 12:34

fingers crossed

BimboBB · 20 Sep 2013, 15:12

Muirium wrote:A spherical dyesub PBT set complete with PBT space bar… good luck with negotiations! There's a job for you at the United Nations if you can pull this one off.

....plus nomination for nobel prize in economics AND peace!

phinix · 26 Nov 2013, 00:51

Any news on this?
I think we could go with DCS too. truly retro set of beige and white caps should be nice, even on DCS.. me thinks...

matt3o · 26 Nov 2013, 09:17

SP is working on the PBT spacebar. As soon as it is ready we will start this GB.

Muirium · 26 Nov 2013, 11:49

(And once our wallets have recovered from Round 5…)

matt3o · 26 Nov 2013, 12:02

don't worry, it's a long way to go.

phinix · 26 Nov 2013, 12:56

matt3o wrote:SP is working on the PBT spacebar. As soon as it is ready we will start this GB.

Cool. Would it be DSA or DCS PBT?
What colors will we go with? Those retro black on white/beige?

matt3o · 26 Nov 2013, 13:00

probably DSA PBT white/beige

BlueBär · 26 Nov 2013, 13:11

matt3o wrote:don't worry, it's a long way to go.

Can you give me a guess which month this might start?

Muirium · 26 Nov 2013, 13:12

If it's spherical: I want it.

DSA has a rougher texture than SA, if I understand SP's charts correctly. That should be quite something with hard wearing PBT!

phinix · 26 Nov 2013, 13:17

matt3o wrote:probably DSA PBT white/beige

Sweet... can't wait already:)

matt3o · 26 Nov 2013, 16:53

BlueBär wrote:
matt3o wrote:don't worry, it's a long way to go.
Can you give me a guess which month this might start?

very hard to say. I hope Q1 2014.

Internet · 26 Nov 2013, 20:20

Hi, I am also interested

BTW I would say Gotham Rounded remind lot of the fonts of those times (ALL CAPS):
http://www.typography.com/fonts/gotham- ... haracters/
http://www.typography.com/fonts/gotham- ... /overview/

matt3o · 26 Nov 2013, 20:33

Internet wrote:Hi, I am also interested

BTW I would say Gotham Rounded remind lot of the fonts of those times (ALL CAPS):
http://www.typography.com/fonts/gotham- ... haracters/
http://www.typography.com/fonts/gotham- ... /overview/

very nice but we are pretty much bound to open source fonts

matt3o · 13 Feb 2014, 19:47

fasten your seat belts... this could start really soon.

PBT
DSA
Dye-sub

Muirium · 13 Feb 2014, 19:47

jdeblese · 13 Feb 2014, 19:56

Excellent! I was starting to get worried...

matt3o · 13 Feb 2014, 20:05

next week we should have the spacebar... now I need to know if we can waive the $6000 setup fee