IC/Discussion on beige set

[7bit]

can't see it!!!

[matt3o]

some updates.

First international kit (of two). Please don't mind the legend size, I have to work on that, this is just to show the list of keys.



And updated nerdom:

[Muirium]

Quite nice. But needs more ᴙussiaᴎ.

[BlueBär]

Россия is out!

Україна is in!

/signed

[Muirium]

Σκάσε και να λάβει τα ελληνικά μου!

[Nuum]

"Look, I have this exclusive 100 € PBT spherical dyesub set on my 130 € Filco (or 250 € custom designed board)! And I spent an extra 50 € to have the legends in my language! Yes, I know the € sign and {[]}²³~| are missing, but after all it was 10€ cheaper that way and I know where everything belongs anyway!"

Yeah, you are probably right, the more complete the set is, the better. But on the other hand, with the third legend, the lettering is now asymmetric. I think, it would look much better, if all the keys have their lettering the same, e.g. the Mµ one would look weird next to the centered V, B and N, because it is shifted a bit. Maybe this could be solved, but I don't know, how far the third legend could be pushed to the lower right edge and whether it would look bad.

I'll make a quick mockup, to show, what I mean. I'm aware of the fact, that the size of the legends doesn't match, as matt3o said. Edit: I just put in E€, Mµ, 7/{ and 8([.

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I hope I can use your mockup for this, matt3o.

An btw, thanks for organising this! And I hope I don't sound too negative, it's just my opinion.

[Muirium]

Yeah, I get your point: horizontal symmetry on all legends. Where all text lies on the midline. Definitely a cleaner look. (Says the guy who likes vertical symmetry, and therefore single legend caps.)

Edit: and now your graphic's up, maybe I don't see it…

[7bit]

This looks bad!

Move them all into the upper left square (centered) or just leave the blue letters away. This mix looks like the keys are from 2 different boards.

[Nuum]

Btw, is it another "hidden error" that there are two dark grey ESC caps in the base set, shouldn't one be light grey?

[imbattable]

I would also vote for top left main legends, top right second legends, bottom right third legends on most keys. Modifiers/function row etc should stay centered I think.

[jdeblese]

How many keys have this problem? Just E€, Mµ? Are we willing to give up these nice, large centered legends for just those two keys?

[imbattable]

On German keyboards the alphas: E/€, Q/@ and M/µ

[Muirium]

Secondary legends are just that: get out of the way, and sit over in the corner! Tertiary? Well, you'll need a ladder, son…

[Nuum]

On German keyboards the alphas: E/€, Q/@ and M/µ

Actually on some numbers as well: 2"², 3§³, 7/{, 8([, 9)], 0=}, ß?\, they wouldn't be centered, but left of the center. And the <>|.

[imbattable]

Yeah, I obviously didn't count the non-alpha legends, since most of them have at least a second legend on them.

[matt3o]

A solution might be to place the second legend very small to the bottom right. I really don't see any other options if you want to keep the centered alphas.

[7bit]

At front?

[Muirium]

Front legends are pretty cool, but isn't that a whole new can of worms?

[matt3o]

Like so

[imbattable]

I kind of like it on the dual legend keys with the small blue second, but would triple legend keys not look very crowded that way?

[webwit]

Not good enough for my German T3 layout!

[Muirium]

Mmm… dat little µ

[7bit]

For your what?

[matt3o]

I'll make some more tests tomorrow. This set is gonna kill me.

[scottc]

Hey, at least you know what people really go crazy for now. If you've got any other GBs that are failing to meet MOQ, just add triple-legend keys and apparently you'll get a lot of attention for them.

[7bit]

I'll make some more tests tomorrow. This set is gonna kill me.

Let's swap the group buys and let me handle this!

[Muirium]

Sounds fair. But Matt's sample graphics are nicer than yours. Just saying…

[webwit]

For your what?

I am disappointed.

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I write all my German poetry with this layout.

[Muirium]

A phonetic layout, you say?



ŋŋŋ…

[webwit]

ŋŋŋ…

Not sure if constipated or first attempt at German phonetic poetry.