IC/Discussion on beige set

matt3o · 17 Mar 2014, 19:45

zulios wrote:Thanks for adding the keys I asked for
Do you confirm that 2 units 2 stems (tipro) blank keys will be available ? If yes I am a happy man.

they are not included, but we have still time to make few adjustments.

woody · 17 Mar 2014, 20:17

Did you receive the templates from SP? I suppose the font sizes in the last picture are not final?

matt3o · 17 Mar 2014, 20:19

I got some specs from SP few hours ago. I'll work on the final layout during the GB.

Mr.Bean · 17 Mar 2014, 20:25

Maybe consider to add extra 10 keys to ergo kit?
http://imgur.com/TPzpkLi

fifted · 17 Mar 2014, 21:23

But those keys are 1u and already covered by the other kits! You can put the cursor keys there, or F keys, or pro mods, or media keys...

:7bit face:

Mr.Bean · 17 Mar 2014, 21:37

Well if you take a look to usual ergo kit these keys are included (see round 5). Buying another kit just for that does not make sense.

woody · 17 Mar 2014, 21:43

matt3o wrote:I got some specs from SP few hours ago. I'll work on the final layout during the GB.

Ok.
"SCRL" is worrying me, but I don't really have wise suggestion.
Except maybe try smaller font (for these three keys) and do the very standard:

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PRINT
SCREEN
______
SYSRQ

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SCROLL
LOCK

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PAUSE
_____
BREAK

I know it is not easy.

jdeblese · 17 Mar 2014, 21:45

Mr.Bean wrote:Well if you take a look to usual ergo kit these keys are included (see round 5). Buying another kit just for that does not make sense.

But which keys would you want to see there? Arrows? Mods? Symbols? Alphas? Media keys? There are so many possible combinations that there's no way we could make one set to cover them. You have to split out the 1u's.

Keep in mind that most other ergo kits are blank, so it's easy for them but not for us.

Mr.Bean · 17 Mar 2014, 22:38

I would go for blanks as well

fifted · 17 Mar 2014, 23:22

Then it's easy! The base kit has extra keys (in the dark gray no less) that can go in those spots. Base kit blank has 54 light (plus 2 deep dish), 20 dark 1u keys. With 2 ergo blank kits, you have a full blank ergodox! (Alphas on an otherwise blank board is tougher...)

squarefrog · 17 Mar 2014, 23:27

Each kit has an accompanying blank set. So you're set there. Most layouts seem to either have mods or arrows on that bottom row.

Maybe I'll order two base sets so I can have

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[ s ] [ q ] [ u ] [ a ] [ r ]    [ e ] [ f ] [ r ] [ o ] [ g ]

Ah who am I kidding. That r/e split would make me twitch..

matt3o · 17 Mar 2014, 23:35

SP raised some concerns about copyrighted material in the nerdom kit. I'll probably have to replace some keys.

fifted · 17 Mar 2014, 23:38

Not the kitties, I hope!

Muirium · 17 Mar 2014, 23:38

So long as they haven't heard of Evangelion…

matt3o · 17 Mar 2014, 23:50

Muirium wrote:So long as they haven't heard of Evangelion…

I told them the source of all keys. Zoidberg had to go. Evangelion should stay.

Vierax · 18 Mar 2014, 05:52

that's sad to ear but it's not like you have no other candidates.

matt3o · 18 Mar 2014, 08:27

I got the quote, but I asked for few changes to reduce price.

The blue enter in the mod kits turned out to be too expensive and I prefer to remove it and place it in a kit of its own.

Zoidberg has to go, sorry. I'll replace it with something else. Star wars seems not to be a problem but I guess Melissa is simply not a fan. I'll double check and eventually replace them with something else.

The full touch windowed key is available only with lens on top.

Apart from that everything looks very nice. All prices at 50 tier

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common        txt mod     icon mod    numpad      text pro    Icon pro    
$39.00        ????        ????        $27.00      $27.00      $27.00


RGB txt       RGB icon    RGB         WASD        intl 1      intl 2
$17.00        $17.00      $13.00      $9.00       $28.00      $29.00


ISO enter    ISO blank    Mono        Mono intl    homing     Ergodox        
$6.00        $2.00        $17.00      $13.00       $9.00      $27.00


Multimedia   Nerdom       Apple       Full blank   Num blank  half-ergo
$7.00        $14.00       $16.00      $51.00       $10.00     $9.00


Add blanks   Windowed     7u space    625 space    Lost+found
$13.00       $12.00       $4.00       $4.00        $17.00

honestly... considering how little the ISO blank cost... I would go with that all the way down are remove the legended one.

kbdfr · 18 Mar 2014, 09:31

I haven't been able to really follow what is happening here
and have completely lost track of profiles/colours/legends/icons/sets/etc.

Am I right to assume that this still is an interest check/discussion?
Are decisions made up to now recapitulated anywhere with all relevant information?

Thanks and sorry for disturbing

matt3o · 18 Mar 2014, 09:35

The prices are above.

Color cold light gray. Similar to SGI Granite or WYSE.

kbdfr · 18 Mar 2014, 09:54

Thanks for the swift answer - and that is quite impressive indeed.
I reckon they will be dye-sub caps from SP, which profile(s) will they use?

matt3o · 18 Mar 2014, 10:01

kbdfr wrote:Thanks for the swift answer - and that is quite impressive indeed.
I reckon they will be dye-sub caps from SP, which profile(s) will they use?

DSA PBT sublimated, including spacebars.

kbdfr · 18 Mar 2014, 10:12

Thank you, sir.

Muirium · 18 Mar 2014, 10:33

Yes, this is the definitive DSA we've been waiting for!

matt3o wrote: The full touch windowed key is available only with lens on top.

What does this alter about the windowed kit, exactly? I don't quite get it.

matt3o · 18 Mar 2014, 10:43

Muirium wrote:Yes, this is the definitive DSA we've been waiting for!

matt3o wrote: The full touch windowed key is available only with lens on top.
What does this alter about the windowed kit, exactly? I don't quite get it.

they don't have a bottom lens in full touch 1.75u.

we have 4 1u and 1 left stemmed 1.75u with window as pictured and the full touch 1.75u has the lens on top

Muirium · 18 Mar 2014, 10:54

Ah, it's the window vs. lens terminology I don't understand then. "Top" doesn't mean what I think it does, because we can rotate the keys any which way as the legends go on later.

Anyway, added up my likely order, and at these 50 tier prices it comes to (drum roll) $180 + whatever icon mods is + shipping + taxes. I expect a few might struggle to hit that tier anyway. So keep the deadline nice and long, Matt, as I have some saving to do!

matt3o · 18 Mar 2014, 11:01

the mods will likely go around $25. The base and mods will hopefully hit the 100 tier anyway.

Now.

- We need to remove 1u key from the numpad. Either I go full TEXT on the numpad or I remove the = sign (what would you prefer?)
- I'm keen on removing the legended ISO enter being the blank one so cheap... objections?

Nuum · 18 Mar 2014, 11:18

I think it would look weird if the iso enter is the only blank key and every other key is lettered. Also I don't think 6$ vs 2$ isn't that much more considering the price of a full set.

Muirium · 18 Mar 2014, 11:25

I'm neutral on the numpad change, and against dropping the legended ISO return. As each ISO return is already separate "kits" they hurt no one.

matt3o · 18 Mar 2014, 11:28

I'm just trying to concentrate fire on a single kit.

Muirium · 18 Mar 2014, 11:30

The tiers only get less interesting with higher number as the price drops decrease. And as we can see how many of each have been ordered as long as the GB is live, we can all jump ship onto one at the end if necessary. I'd be more concerned with optimisation if we all had to order blind.