Round 5 and Round 6 kits for sale!

[facetsesame]

Emoji doubleshots must be coming next…

They can't be far off. The dye sub version was already proposed a few months back.


http://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/s ... ml#p211330

[Muirium]

Those are mere smileys. You'd need a desk hogging keyboard like Kbdfr to even begin to approach the majesty of emoji.





Actually, perhaps that's exactly why he has a board so capacious! Most efficient.

[facetsesame]

I appreciate you don't have them. But I can't keep track of whether you "have" them, for ordering purposes, or if they're 7bit's.

Ah, I see.

7bit's sold out of HONEY/FUNCTION2, but I should have some individual keys available for sale or trade (hello aftermarket!)

But 7bit also got enough extra keys from SP to make up some more kits: this is HONEY/FUNCTION2/E.
This were in stock last I knew.

AFAIK the contents of FUNCTION2 and FUNCTION2/E are identical.

Though the wiki's row description for 2/E is wrong; 2/E should have all row 3 except the row 1 F zero key.
I'm guessing that was taken from HONEYB/FUNCTION - a scary thought - FUNCTION2 has taken over...

[facetsesame]

Those are mere smileys. You'd need a desk hogging keyboard like Kbdfr to even begin to approach the majesty of emoji.

Spoiler:

Actually, perhaps that's exactly why he has a board so capacious! Most efficient.

Looks like DT needs you to lead the design work for Round 6.

Funny, there's only one glyph I can imagine kbdfr wanting on a keyboard.

Spoiler:

[Muirium]

Dammit. Now I want that key!

[SL89]

So is the interrobang real then or not...

[kbdfr]

[…] Funny, there's only one glyph I can imagine kbdfr wanting on a keyboard.

Spoiler:

Correct, it is a must.

Spoiler:

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[kbdfr]

No, [ß] hasn't been dropped, they just changed the rules on when to use it to make it more consistent. If the vocal before it is pronounced short we now use "ss", and if it's long, it's "ß". So "daß" (that) is now "dass", "muß" (must) is now "muss", but "Straße" (street) is still "Straße" and "groß" (big, tall) is still "groß".

Capital ß is just an academic thing and officially not part of German, but it's still been in Unicode for some time for whatever reason. ẞ never appears at the beginning of a word in German, and it is normally replaced by "SS" when capitalizing whole words, but capital ß can be useful in more pathological cases, e.g. in this sentence here.

Perfect explanation. Nice to see there are people who know and also care

[scottc]

[…] Funny, there's only one glyph I can imagine kbdfr wanting on a keyboard.

Spoiler:

Correct, it is a must.

Spoiler:

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Now I must ask... what does that key do?

[Muirium]

Emits grumbling. Unless you're really smart and know how to script ebay shill hunts…

[seebart]

Speaking of ß, look at that on my Unitech caps lock. It's the funkiest variation.

[Khers]

Speaking of ß, look at that on my Unitech caps lock. It's the funkiest variation.

That must certainly be a beta though...

[seebart]

It's strange compared to the rest of "Groß". Almost italic. It's like the (Taiwanese?) manufacturer did not know how to deal with the crazy German letters.

[Khers]

Not almost, it IS italic

Maybe they didn't have an ß on whatever they used to design those caps and went with beta and thought nobody will ever spot the difference

[seebart]

So your saying it's supposed to be that way? I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. I really like eszet.

[Khers]

Nah, I'm not sure what I say. To my eyes it just looks like an italics beta rather than an eszett (italics or not) and I agree that it looks kind of weird. But a bit funky at the same time.

[facetsesame]

So is the interrobang real then or not...

Sure is! All the row 3 HONEY/FUNCTION2 keys are in this pic:

http://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/d ... ml#p212156

But we'll just have to wait a little longer for the HONEYB/FUNCTION keys...

So your saying it's supposed to be that way? I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. I really like eszet.

Can we have a group buy please?

[JanitorJoe]

AFAIK the contents of FUNCTION2 and FUNCTION2/E are identical.

Does that go for HONEY/FUNCTION/R3 and HONEY/FUNCTION/R3/E as well? Not having any idea what that /E was supposed to indicate I just steered clear of the /E option when ordering.

[facetsesame]

AFAIK the contents of FUNCTION2 and FUNCTION2/E are identical.

Does that go for HONEY/FUNCTION/R3 and HONEY/FUNCTION/R3/E as well? Not having any idea what that /E was supposed to indicate I just steered clear of the /E option when ordering.

Looking at the R5 leftovers wiki page, the kits look identical so I'd expect they are. Further back in this topic 7bit specifically mentioned the FUNCTION2/E was full extra sets. Perhaps that's what /E is; though I also notice a /F...

Generally though the ones to be careful of are the /OVR kits - they're made up of overrun keys and are incomplete, so they may not have all the keys you want. They're worth checking though - if they do have the keys you want they can offer savings compared to the original.

FUNCTION7x is its own world of new kits made up of extra overrun keys, including a FUNCTION7E.

[Muirium]

It's strange compared to the rest of "Groß". Almost italic. It's like the (Taiwanese?) manufacturer did not know how to deal with the crazy German letters.

When I was learning German, I remember being freaked out the first time I saw ß. WTF is that!? How many more additional letters do they have? Sound the alarm! Fortunately, you guys only really have that one. (And the Swiss, very sensibly, nixed it.) Umlauts aren't so bad. We English speakers generally just plough through foreign words with diacriticals anyway. Whatever the damage! This works especially well in diacritical crazy Turkish.

So yeah I sympathise with your Asian manufacturer. Be pleased they were creative enough to turn to Greek instead of doing the obvious and going for capital B. I think I remember seeing that exact thing done in German class once, as whoever typed it had no idea whatsoever how to enter eszett and didn't know what it meant either.

Now, about those schokoladen…

[seebart]

Well we got ü, ö and ä. But those are just variations. What's even more interesting is the ß was kept alive until today. There was a time when they thought about killing it. But it was kept. Double s would be much simpler.

[Muirium]

Yeah, you can see see what the base letter is. Whole new symbols are where things get nasty. And in between you get ligatures like æ which must cause non-Latin readers nightmares too.

[seebart]

Check this out: http://www.altdeutsche-schrift.de/beispiele.html

You've probably seen those before. Makes ß look simplistic. You'd need several FN layers for that.

[Muirium]

Make it stop!

[seebart]

I know my grandparents could still read some of those. It might as well be Japanese to me.

[chzel]

Oh god...the memories...when I took German lessons (~25 years ago) the teacher taught us to write cursive...I loved it..I took 3 years German and I remember some of it, while after 5 years of French I remember almost nothing...

[Muirium]

I mostly remember the dairy products.

[Mal-2]

Its the same thing in danish (my native tounge) - simplifications over the years have actually made disambiguations harder - all in the name of convenience.
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Yeah but you've got the ÆØÅ! (And I can actually type those, I don't have to copypaste them.)

[SL89]

simplifications over the years have actually made disambiguations harder - all in the name of convenience.
</rant>

Welcome to the land of English speakers / writers where we use the same word for multiple meanings depending on arbitrary context (and sometimes spelling.)

[Muirium]

English is especially bad at that. But I hear Chinese is much worse (verbally, if not written) and I suspect every natural language has puns and confusion aplenty. We don't trust vital stuff like that to linguists, alas. Although looking at the inscrutable IPA, perhaps that's not entirely a bad thing.