Nixdorf surprise

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Wodan
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26 May 2016, 15:49

Oh well I saw this thing on ebay and couldn't resist. Was hoping for Nixie switches or at least some nice Nixdorf doubleshots in good shape. Instead I got this ... never seen this before!

The switches seem to be full travel, linear. The stem actually pokes through the PCB and consist of a sensor and a slider. When I pulled one of the keycaps off, the top part with the slider and the spring actually came off and the sensor part remained on the PCB. Was able to put it back together so I guess they were meant to be taken apart like that.

Anyone ever seen anything like that? I can take some more pictures if that's something interesting.
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Those stems look like little swastikas :?

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ramnes
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26 May 2016, 16:00


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photekq
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26 May 2016, 16:03

Thankfully these ones seem to be far rarer than the MX variant.

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Wodan
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26 May 2016, 16:07

Well the caps are great but nothing-compatible and the switches all feel like the could use a little lube ...

terrycherry

26 May 2016, 16:14

What a great found! The keycaps looks like the Olympia teletypewriter .
Take more photos inside the switch,please!

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ramnes
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26 May 2016, 16:35

I'd be interested by a picture of the whole board myself. It doesn't look like HaaTa's one nor like a classic Nixdorf Soft-Touch keyboard.

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Wodan
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26 May 2016, 16:46

More and detailed pictures of the switches and internals can be found under Haatas link. It's very similair internals.

Oh yeah and a full picture is missing:
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photekq
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26 May 2016, 16:49

Ooh, haven't seen one like that before! I wonder if an MX version is out there.

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ramnes
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26 May 2016, 18:42

Ah yeah, I've seen that one on Ebay too. I didn't buy because I didn't want to take the risk, glad I didn't. :D

That being said, the caps are really close to the Soft-Touch keyboard. An MX version of that board is definitely possible!

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seebart
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26 May 2016, 18:57

Very nice find Wodan! I have tried these switches, I'd say they're as nice as vintage MX blacks if not smoother.

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hammelgammler
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26 May 2016, 19:11

Even smoother than vintage MX blacks? And what's with Nixdorf Blacks in comparison?

By the way, what's the current market value of a board with those switches? Sounds interesting, so it would be good to know. :)

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seebart
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26 May 2016, 19:24

hammelgammler wrote: Even smoother than vintage MX blacks? And what's with Nixdorf Blacks in comparison?
Impossible to objectively measure for me. Let's say "similair", it's relative anyway.
hammelgammler wrote: By the way, what's the current market value of a board with those switches? Sounds interesting, so it would be good to know. :)
These are obscure and obvioulsy do not share the "nixie" hype that exceeds the blue Alps hype. So they are not worth much, the keycaps are not usable and the whole keyboard is terminal. Still nice.

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Wodan
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26 May 2016, 19:55

Anyone got any idea if those switches can be hooked up to a Teensy ?

does the magnetic valve mechanism have an inherent diode?

I recently went through alot of trouble fitting a WY-30 with a teensy just to realize that odd keyboards without diodes ain't for me

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Muirium
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26 May 2016, 20:05

All the best keyboards are diode free! Model F, Model M, Topre…

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Chyros

26 May 2016, 20:52

Wodan wrote: does the magnetic valve mechanism have an inherent diode?
No, but it has inherent NKRO. I explain the workings in my SWA-4300 video:

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seebart
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26 May 2016, 21:04

Wodan wrote: Anyone got any idea if those switches can be hooked up to a Teensy ?
You can hook this up to a Teensy all day, these keyboards "speak" a Nixdorf terminal protocol that has nothing to do with Universal Serial Bus (USB) or PS/2 protocol. You would have to build your very own keyboard firmware:

workshop-f7/how-to-build-your-very-own- ... t7177.html

10ko

28 May 2016, 11:26

Hall effect switches?Why not?

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seebart
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28 May 2016, 12:45

10ko wrote: Hall effect switches?Why not?
WOT? :? U wanna see Hall Effect switches?

keyboards-f2/micro-switch-sw-10591-t943 ... o%20switch

10ko

28 May 2016, 15:38

And deep inside.
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seebart
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28 May 2016, 15:49

10ko wrote: And deep inside.
And post is minimalistic. But pretty good picture. Could be anything though.

10ko

28 May 2016, 16:05

Hall effect sensor (left) and magnetic valve.

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seebart
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28 May 2016, 16:14

10ko wrote: Hall effect sensor (left) and magnetic valve.
And post is still minimalistic.

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Chyros

28 May 2016, 17:16

Actually it looks more like a reed switch Oo .

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