Unacceptable lies perpetrated by --Rootwyrm--

[DanielT]

I remember when he bought a LOT of sets in that shitty Tai Hao GB, and he took the loss... That is another GB where I got arsed... but still everyone has understanding for those individuals...oh they are young, they have homework, they are depressed and shit like that

[webwit]

What a wise decision...I hope DT admin will do the same.

I'm not a moderator, but I fancy this is the checklist:

- Is it an illegal weapons sale? No fully automatic weapons, mini guns, phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range, etc.
- Is it a sale of any other illegal goods such as drugs or exotic animals?
- Is it sex-trafficking?
- Is it vagria or other spam?
- Is Erdogan insulted?

[tp4tissue]

I remember when he bought a LOT of sets in that shitty Tai Hao GB, and he took the loss... That is another GB where I got arsed... but still everyone has understanding for those individuals...oh they are young, they have homework, they are depressed and shit like that

We've all seen Berserkfan do the right thing time and time again, and yet these new users come in, and claim Scammer..

Even though Berserk was still clearly around after the shipping error..

[Muirium]

- Is Erdogan insulted?

Fuck, you better believe anything that crosses that line is getting censored!

[kbdfr]

Bring it.. I'm ready.. I got my ebay samurai sword, it's got a sticker that says authentic japanese samurai sword..

The pic was supposed to mean: big theatre, classical drama - just a few visitors.

No reason for censoring anything, though.
If we have luck someone will notify the other actors, who then will want to also play their part

[Muirium]

Or if we're really lucky.

[Spikebolt]

Who dares question thy tp4's sanity?!

[Tyr]

FWIW I had hoped for a more sereen way of handling things, but from the beginning people were encouraged to file Paypal disputes or even police reports all before even getting their package. Personally I think that was a mistake and then when Beserkfan showed up in another thread instead of opening up a constructive conversation working some things out so he could maybe walk back some of his earlier statements, he was hounded away. I don't think anyone is in the right here but things certainly could have been better if cooler heads had prevailed. But people didn't get their stuff and are understandably angry. So yeah, internet drama Meanwhile I'm sitting here waiting for a box with unknown contents which probably won't arrive for another month.

[chuckdee]

But Deskthority is indeed the GH grief corner.. It was actually FOUNDED by members who got banned by Geekhack..

In that way, this thread is more appropriate here than anywhere else..

You must have heard the slogan, Deskthority, haven for geekhack rejects..

Since 2011 seems to have returned, let me introduce everyone to a new internet fad called a "meme":

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It's funny by definition btw.

Do you understand that we don't give a shit about your GH drama?

I've edited the OP to properly reflect the purpose of this post.


I realize that when I copied it over from Geekhack, the message was not clear..

THis is not really about my personal misgivings with --Rootwyrm-- , that is secondary to the False claims he's made against Berserkfan.


The relevance to DT is that Berserkfan's sales thread covered both forums.. and the correct information is preserved in this thread to keep those who were involved informed..

Hopefully the edit clears up the issue for the -users- who did not yet understand the situation.

The real edit is... fuggedabout it. It's not worth it. I've been drawn into this mess before. It's not worth arguing- he never gets the real point, and maligns the people trying to make a difference.

[seebart]

What a wise decision...I hope DT admin will do the same.

I'm not a moderator, but I fancy this is the checklist:

- Is it an illegal weapons sale? No fully automatic weapons, mini guns, phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range, etc.
- Is it a sale of any other illegal goods such as drugs or exotic animals?
- Is it sex-trafficking?
- Is it vagria or other spam?
- Is Erdogan insulted?

Your checklist is nonsense, apart from SPAM we never have any of that here thank god. Also I don't FUCKING care if Erdogan get's insulted, but bloated self-egocentrical trips to the past type of threads like this seem to be grand.

[Muirium]

Sssssshhhh!!! Damn it, you'll go drinking tea with Russians next!

[Halvar]

Seebart, the fact that you have never seen the sex trafficking threads doesn't mean that we didn't have them!

[seebart]

Sssssshhhh!!! Damn it, you'll go drinking tea with Russians next!

I don't know what the hell that means Mu but I think you're telling me to "tone it down" which I will not. This thread is a piece of shit there I said it. Sure, tp4tissue can open this and whatever else he wants that's not the point. It's like of public spamming to me. Even worse it has no effect on any of the readers, possibly it's self-therapeutical for OP which is fine but still quite excessive and unnecessary. I really think we need a sub forum for this type of posting, like a speakers corner! Unload all your shit there and anyone that wants to join in fine. Keep it out of the DT keyboard forums. Off topic is not enough.

Seebart, the fact that you have never seen the sex trafficking threads doesn't mean that we didn't have them!

Are you saying we have had sex trafficking threads here at DT Halvar?!? I don't believe you! Keyboard trafficking threads yes that I believe.

[Muirium]

Ack! Quit spilling all our secrets, ya numptie! We keep Erdogan happy precisely to ease the supply. Now be a good European and shut the duck up about our great democratic allies in the east!

[seebart]

Aye Aye, Captain!

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[Redmaus]

Even though its against the current status quo in this thread, I agree with tp4. Rootwyrm tried to lynch him the second he could.

The situation became impossible for berserk when rootwyrm convinced everyone to file claims immediately before berserk could rectify the situation.

He should have been more committed in his OP though. Berserk shouldn't have said things like "I have no intention of completely refunding everyone, etc."

But Rootwyrm still made the situation irreparable when he told everyone to submit a claim right away.

But where is Rootwyrm in this thread???

[seebart]

And why don't the three clear it up between them instead of this behemoth thread ?!?

[pr0ximity]

Barbarians

[Muirium]

Pissing and whining while stomping your feet ain't no fun at all unless you do it in public. Internet basics.

It'll pass. Someone got shafted. One goes east, one goes west. So what?

[seebart]

Barbarians

Nope more Retardarians.

[chuckdee]

Even though its against the current status quo in this thread, I agree with tp4. Rootwyrm tried to lynch him the second he could.

The situation became impossible for berserk when rootwyrm convinced everyone to file claims immediately before berserk could rectify the situation.

He should have been more committed in his OP though. Berserk shouldn't have said things like "I have no intention of completely refunding everyone, etc."

But Rootwyrm still made the situation irreparable when he told everyone to submit a claim right away.

But where is Rootwyrm in this thread???

Just for the sake of transparency, I said I was going to file a claim long before Rootwyrm said anything about it. Just because of Berserk's lackadaisical responses to me in dealing with it.

I PM'd him on GH. No response for days. I opened a dispute (but didn't escalate) to get him to respond. He responded to that almost immediately with woe mes and such. I asked him a direct question- "How do you plan to rectify the situation". he responded with guilt trips and threats, and why do people want to complain, and no one thank me for my low prices. I asked the same direct question again. He stopped responding. I gave him 48 hours to respond. Then said if you don't respond in 48 hours, I'm escalating. He didn't. So I did. And now have my money back. So blaming people wanting their money or product on Rootwyrm is disingenous at best.

He started urging people to file claims when he realized the time frame was short to file them. I'd already researched myself and realized how short the time frame was after delivery.

This also doesn't stop him from handling his business off Paypal for everyone that paid by another way. But other than Paypal, I've not heard of anyone getting satisfaction. The amount I paid is just part of my hobby budget, so on the one hand, it's not a big deal. But I'm not just handing someone my money either.

Root and Sky have done a whole hell of a lot behind the scenes to try to make it better with their well organized and researched sheet. I might not agree with some of the stuff they've said, but I appreciate their efforts (very selfless efforts in Sky's case). Many people have spoken out against Berserk's actions. So I wonder why he's singling out Root. Especially as he has no stake in the issue.

Questions that will probably never have answers....

[tp4tissue]

Even though its against the current status quo in this thread, I agree with tp4. Rootwyrm tried to lynch him the second he could.

The situation became impossible for berserk when rootwyrm convinced everyone to file claims immediately before berserk could rectify the situation.

He should have been more committed in his OP though. Berserk shouldn't have said things like "I have no intention of completely refunding everyone, etc."

But Rootwyrm still made the situation irreparable when he told everyone to submit a claim right away.

But where is Rootwyrm in this thread???

He started urging people to file claims when he realized the time frame was short to file them. I'd already researched myself and realized how short the time frame was after delivery.

This also doesn't stop him from handling his business off Paypal for everyone that paid by another way. But other than Paypal, I've not heard of anyone getting satisfaction. The amount I paid is just part of my hobby budget, so on the one hand, it's not a big deal. But I'm not just handing someone my money either.

You have 180 days to file.. you filed within the month.

It does stop Berserkfan from handling the situation, because He could no longer handle complex transactions through paypal, he was only allowed the single option of full refund.

That is not an option in this case, because it completely exceeds the refund budget from the shipping back alone.. And there's no guarantee that all the objects would be recovered, because of the problem was the shipping mistake in the first place.

Berserkfan does not know exactly what inventory went where.. So he could never ask a person to return precisely which item they were sent.. They could simply keep all the good stuff, send back one set of key cap, and there wouldn't be anything Berserk fan could do about ANY of those cases..

Nothing could be accomplished by giving a full refund. which was the only option left through paypal after so many disputes were opened..


This would've relied on the good graces of standup individuals who are upfront about the stuff they received, but ontop of that it required the ability to coordinate and incentivize getting the packages to the right place.. NO such maneuverability is possible through the full refund method, because the Inventory was not tallied..

[chuckdee]

I notice that instead of being transparent and quoting the entire post, you edit it to suit your arguments. That's bad form. And in some cases (mine included) the time frame is less. And filing a dispute doesn't tie up your account, it just gives transparency into the situation and forces the other party to work with you. It's the escalation that causes action on Paypal's part.

But keep on keeping on., and talking g about stuff that you have no insight into and less than full knowledge about. The facts of the matter haven't stopped you so far, so I have no doubt that you'll keep on being righteous in your ignorance. That's how most fanatics are.

[tp4tissue]

And in some cases (mine included) the time frame is less. And filing a dispute doesn't tie up your account, it just gives transparency into the situation and forces the other party to work with you. It's the escalation that causes action on Paypal's part.

But keep on keeping on., and talking g about stuff that you have no insight into and less than full knowledge about. The facts of the matter haven't stopped you so far, so I have no doubt that you'll keep on being righteous in your ignorance. That's how most fanatics are.

You had 180 days PERIOD..

You could've sat and did nothing, and things would've all turned out better !

and at the end of 180 days, you could've still filed, were you dissatisfied at that point


At the time you communicated with Berserkfan, NOTHING could've been done, which was why such non-relevance was IGNORED..

The damn packages hadn't arrived, nothing could've been coordinated..

What was going on in the background was pulling together proxies and budgeting for shipping and redirects..

All efforts thwarted by the untimely disputes...

You, rootwyrm, etc, jumped the gun unnecessarily to the greater detriment of EVERYONE ELSE..


File with paypal, this includes the escalation.. ALL of which is part of the process which locked up Berserkfan's account from handling the complexity necessary to ameliorate the shipping problem..


It is clear to me now that neither you nor -rootwyrm-- grasp the situation whatsoever..

Please reread my post again, understand that Disputes and Escalation was precisely what Berserk told you guys NOT to do..

[chzel]

Hey Tp4tissue,

The problem all started when --Rootwyrm-- began pushing people to immediately file claims against Berserk fan..

Bullshit. The problem started when Berserkfan sold and double sold, and then threw random stuff in random boxes going to random recipients.

And his replies?

Anyone who got more value than what he paid for, will not be refunded. Not to be an SOB about it but it is just impossible to refund everyone. I’d rather just quit geekhack/ deskthority completely if refunding exceeds my limited budget.

Those who think they are going to get money from filing complaints, sorry. You guys all got boxes of keyboard related items, some totally new or never used. If I choose to escalate your complaint to a Return, you are going to have to pay a lot of money to ship stuff back to Singapore before you get refunded. We have shipping invoices that say 5kg and 10kg of ‘keyboards’ and ‘keyboard parts’, so sending me a postcard with a tracking number is going to get you hit with a buyer fraud charge.

Who was responsible for the whole fuck up? Berserkfan (or his wife?)
Who should eat the cost? Berserkfan
How do you make sure you get your money back, especially after Berserkfan's statements? Paypal claim.
What rootwyrm might have or not have said, is irrelevant.

Also, just for full disclosure, what is your relationship with Berserkfan?
How do you know that he's "among the most wholesome of people"?
What's your issue with Rootwyrm especially?
And why don't you turn against anyone else filing claims?
Do you consider everyone else filing claims puppets incapable of thought, controlled by rootwyrm, so not as evil as rootwyrm?

--Rootwyrm-- has continued to defame user -Berserkfan--

From what I see here you are the one defaming rootwyrm. Can you display one of the lies you accuse him of? (backed by actual facts, not your opinion)

who has been a member for much longer, and has demonstrated numerous times through numerous successful deals that he is an upstanding member, and would Never bother with a scam..

No one ever bothers with a scam until they do. "He was such a nice person...No one ever believed he'd do THAT..."

...understand that Disputes and Escalation was precisely what Berserk told you guys NOT to do..

Really? I suspect someone is going to scam me from my money and you tell me I should do exactly as he tells me?

And last,
you are posting this on a forum where the vast majority doesn't give a shit (myself included) about your drama. Did you expect us to light our torches and march to rootwyrm's house to stone him?
Don't take advantage of the freedom of speech you have here. Respect the users of this forum.

[ramnes]

Thanks chzel for doing what none of us wanted to take the time to do.

[scottc]

I was content with the shitposting and memes (hey, it's looking a bit like Geekhack in this thread actually) but thanks Chzel for actually taking it seriously.

[chuckdee]

More bullshit in annoying font sizes

So I'm supposed to let him hold on to my money for 180 days? When it was apparent that my item was oversold already? And he just ignored me and you expected me to let it time out? And since you're so knowledgeable, why did I get no response at all when I tried to handle it unofficially through PMs?

Good luck with that, friend. Not going to bother taking you apart point by point. You just don't listen. And Chzel did it great! I was content with shitposting too (I've been doing that with you for a while just to get you riled up) but thanks to Chzel for taking it seriously! Not that you'll listen.

[XMIT]

I'm going to troll this troll thread, and remind you that all sales from the XMIT Keypocalypse Store are 100% satisfaction guaranteed, even if that means I need to ship another box to Germany because Frankfurt airport personnel lost your package.



Sometimes I hate doing things the way I do them because it's the hard way but I seem to have satisfied customers. You're welcome.

Sadly nothing is currently for sale. I do have a garage full of goodies that will be eventually.

[tp4tissue]

More bullshit in annoying font sizes

So I'm supposed to let him hold on to my money for 180 days? When it was apparent that my item was oversold already? And he just ignored me and you expected me to let it time out? And since you're so knowledgeable, why did I get no response at all when I tried to handle it unofficially through PMs?

Good luck with that, friend. Not going to bother taking you apart point by point. You just don't listen. And Chzel did it great! I was content with shitposting too (I've been doing that with you for a while just to get you riled up) but thanks to Chzel for taking it seriously! Not that you'll listen.

What difference does it make how long you let the money hold.. it's still there, you could get it back in say 2 month when all the packages arrived..

You don't have to wait the full 180days, you could've at least waited till everyone got their packages so full-coordination could begin..

There is no reason to file at the time that you did making coordination impossible from Berserkfan's end..

You got no response through PM, because at the very beginning when you voiced your complaint, nothing could be done on the individual basis, because not all of the packages have arrived.

At the time, Berserkfan was pulling together people and resource budgets for proxy shipping and redirection of packages.


The double sold issue happened on only very few items because of payment timing differences, it is difficult to keep track of so many different items.. but even if that's the case.. the issue was absolutely in the process of being sorted before the Meddling between you guys and --rootwyrm--