Round 5 and Round 6 kits for sale!

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zslane

07 Nov 2016, 00:23

kingnestea wrote: And about the legends, I am not understanding what you mean, are you saying that 7bit's round 6 requires tooling for alphas and modifiers too? Because according to a mail from Melissa to me, SP has standard molds for alphas and modifiers, you just need to choose which font size you want, there are 3 or 4.
7bit's special legends are not for those keys in those colors, no. They are for Blue and "SPH" gray of the "Space Cadet" related kits, as well as various Function key legends in the Honeywell colors. He paid a tidy sum of money to have legend plates made for Round 6.

It could also be argued that the Chinese group buy "copied" Round 5, not Round 6, since they involved the same colors but without any of the unique Space Cadet or Function legends of Round 6.

kingnestea

07 Nov 2016, 00:43

zslane wrote:
kingnestea wrote: And about the legends, I am not understanding what you mean, are you saying that 7bit's round 6 requires tooling for alphas and modifiers too? Because according to a mail from Melissa to me, SP has standard molds for alphas and modifiers, you just need to choose which font size you want, there are 3 or 4.
7bit's special legends are not for those keys in those colors, no. They are for Blue and "SPH" gray of the "Space Cadet" related kits, as well as various Function key legends in the Honeywell colors. He paid a tidy sum of money to have legend plates made for Round 6.

It could also be argued that the Chinese group buy "copied" Round 5, not Round 6, since they involved the same colors but without any of the unique Space Cadet or Function legends of Round 6.
Indd, this group buy was called R5 add, I said R6 just to make myself clear that this may be produced at the same time together with 7bit's R6 order phase 2 since there are same keys in there.

Beside this, IMO as a automation engineer, it's theoretically possible to plan 2 orders with the same color in the same production slot to increase production efficiency, even with different legends. If you look into the double shot injection process, they firstly make the inner plate (the legends) with a injection process, then put the legend plate in another mold for the second injection process, this second injection process is basically the same process for keycaps with the same profile and same color. The critical path in the whole process is the part of changing supply material and molds, setup of the machine is identically the same, which means merging production of keycaps with the same color and the same profile will increase production efficiency.

check this link out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOpj2Zgk710

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phinix

07 Nov 2016, 02:51

Did I start all this? Ooops...;)

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zslane

07 Nov 2016, 03:23

Nobody has ever accused SP of doing things efficiently. But it is a nice dream.

kingnestea

07 Nov 2016, 14:00

SP is way more responsive to communication than GMK, when it comes to production, it depends, what they have there are low-level automation machines or better being said a half-automation process. I'd say they've done their best. But this is way beyond discussion, let's wait for 7bit, he is the one who should have better information about this GB, I'm just providing some side information to assume a ship date.

kingnestea

08 Nov 2016, 01:11

I've just received some information regarding phase 2, it's NOT assigned to any production slot. Not because they don't want to, it's on 7bit's side. This comes from Melissa, I asked her about the status of phase 2 in a mail exchange regarding another GB that I'm involved. Her answer was very detailed and certain.

Don't wanna blow this up and hurt anybody's feeling. Just hoping that 7bit will make this right and put things back on track for the good of all those who has joined this GB.

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Norman_

08 Nov 2016, 03:01

kingnestea wrote: I've just received some information regarding phase 2, it's NOT assigned to any production slot. Not because they don't want to, it's on 7bit's side. This comes from Melissa, I asked her about the status of phase 2 in a mail exchange regarding another GB that I'm involved. Her answer was very detailed and certain.

Don't wanna blow this up and hurt anybody's feeling. Just hoping that 7bit will make this right and put things back on track for the good of all those who has joined this GB.
Ugh. I knew i was getting into a long GB, but this is ridiculous.

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nowai

08 Nov 2016, 09:20

just as 7bit said. the caps should arrive at our homes before Christmas... 2017? :lol:

it's time to forget about this groupbuy and be pleasantly surprised about the mysterious package arriving in the distant future

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caligo

08 Nov 2016, 09:34

SP not really updating the PMK status page does not make things any easier either. Judging by that there's really nothing specific scheduled after Valentine, which is expected to be completed by the end of November. So in the best of possible worlds, I guess we could have the December slot? However, it is quite apparent that we do, in fact, not live in the best of possible worlds (despite what Pangloss might say). I'd be happy if I get my keycaps before summer, that's all I dare hope for.

But it would be nice to have some kind of update of what the deal is. 7bot has yet to reach Siri levels of intelligence and seems unable to answer complex questions. So a word from its master would be kind of nice. 7bit? :)

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Wodan
ISO Advocate

08 Nov 2016, 10:18

LOL seriously? SP had phase1 scheduled in march, messed up some legends and just recently shipped phase1 because it took them 6 months to fix the mistakes 7bit reported. Some of the mistakes happened in round5 already and had to be reported once again.

This GB is unlike any other and offers many many options that aren't available anywhere else. I am sure it will be worth the wait, and I am thankful for the insane amount of time and dedication he's putting into this GB. Look at the amount of kits and keycaps and it quickly becomes clear why this takes so long. You can really get what YOU want here but have to be willing to wait for it. Other GBs of SA caps take half the time... but with 1/10th the complexity!

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zslane

08 Nov 2016, 18:58

Yes, well, half the reason 7bit's group buys take so long is the sheer number of kits involved. Normally, group buys are for a single colorway distributed across 5-10 kits. 7bit's group buys invariably involve 4-6 colorways distributed across as many as two dozen kits. Add to that all the special legends and the use of SVG graphics as the representation format, and none of this is surprising.

It feels like I've been holding my breath for nearly a year and a half and it's not a comfortable feeling.

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7bit

08 Nov 2016, 19:29

phinix wrote: Can we finally get that money to SP so they could start phase 2?
What is holding it all up?
SL89 re-surfaced so he hopefully will soon send an update ...
:roll:

The first half arrived today and I'm busily sorting the keys.
:cool:

Please do not disturb!
:o

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nowai

08 Nov 2016, 19:38

would you mind posting one quick smartphone picture? just to keep our mouths shut. :oops:

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Wodan
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08 Nov 2016, 19:59

zslane wrote: It feels like I've been holding my breath for nearly a year and a half and it's not a comfortable feeling.
Let it go :)

7bit will be busy sorting for 2-3 months now, just do no one gets too excited.

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zslane

08 Nov 2016, 20:28

Well, just hearing from him that he has phase 1 in hand now and is in the process of sorting is welcome news. I can at least let out half of my breath...

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krutmob

08 Nov 2016, 22:30

New to MKs and trying to sort out how all this works. Coming from the early days of the vaping community, I have a pretty good understanding of group buys and how small hobbyist markets work.

That being said, I'm struggling to understand what exactly is going on here. As someone who is interested in this keyset, I've been directed to this forum. I have some questions, and I hope this isn't too frustrating to answer:

Is there any way to know the status of a new production? The status page on PMK doesn't help but how should I even know to look there?
Is there a better place or way to know what the hell is going on?
Is this all really dependent upon one person?
The OP barely makes sense. Why isn't there a central resource for information that isn't a 400-page thread?

Thanks and I'm sorry.

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zslane

08 Nov 2016, 22:42

I separate keycap group buys into three broad categories: 1. MassDrop group buys, 2. Small company group buys (kinda old school), and 3. Individually-run group buys (really old school).

7bit group buys are in that last category, and yes, this is all dependent on just one person in Germany. There is a wiki page for his group buys accessible from the "Wiki" link at the top of every DT forum page, but like any wiki it only gets updated when someone knowledgeable makes the effort. In this case it is up to 7bit to do that, and he is busy with many things on any given day/week, and so it only gets updated periodically.

There is no way to know the status of production without asking the two entities involved: 7bit and Signature Plastics. Neither are particularly great at maintaining up-to-the-minute status information. You either have to ask here and hope for an informed response, or e-mail Melissa at SP.

There is no other place to learn what the hell is going on. The custom keycap group buy process is as ghetto as it gets unless it is a category 1 group buy. Some category 2 group buys are decent at providing updates and such, but none are as dedicated to the process as a company like MassDrop for which large group buys are their very raison d'etre. Consequently, most mech board enthusiasts make a second career out of following all the necessary forum threads and other various and sundry sources of information (reddit, websites, etc.).

Welcome to the jungle baby...

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krutmob

08 Nov 2016, 23:15

lol. Right on. Thank you for your help. I'm down to get involved in this madness.

My next question: Has Round 7 already closed?

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eddible

08 Nov 2016, 23:17

krutmob wrote:lol. RIght on. My next question: Has Round 7 already closed?
Nah, round 7 has only just begun and won't begin any production until Phase 2 of round 6 has finished (at the earliest.)

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rominronin

09 Nov 2016, 08:12

Technically, Rounds 5 and 6 are still 'open', as although production on 5 is complete and 6 will soon also be complete, the kit sales are still ongoing.


What I'm trying to say is that if Round 7 is like the two group buys that preceded it, even once the caps are produced, you'll still be able to buy kits from it.

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nowai

09 Nov 2016, 19:40

I had a few Round 6 keys in my grab bag that arrived today. :)
There are probably some more in white or grey I didn't recognize at first glance
Spoiler:
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zslane

09 Nov 2016, 20:56

Nice!

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7bit

10 Nov 2016, 10:22

nowai wrote: would you mind posting one quick smartphone picture? just to keep our mouths shut. :oops:
I will post some photos today.
:-)

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7bit

10 Nov 2016, 18:07

There are 20 complete kits with too small lengeds. But since they are unifomrly too small and match the regular numrow etc. quite well there is no reason to not buy them, especially if you plan to use them along with an INTER kit:
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HONEYB/ALPHA/CADET/S
Price: $59
:cool:

I've got 20 more without |\ 1.5 units:
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Price: $49
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Wodan
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10 Nov 2016, 18:09

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Veggis

10 Nov 2016, 18:09

:o

souldsnake

10 Nov 2016, 18:52

7bit wrote: There are 20 complete kits with too small lengeds. But since they are unifomrly too small and match the regular numrow etc. quite well there is no reason to not buy them, especially if you plan to use them along with an INTER kit:
:p
HONEYB/ALPHA/CADET/S
Price: $59
:cool:

I've got 20 more without |\ 1.5 units:
:p
HONEYB/ALPHA/CADET/T
Price: $49
:o
still waiting on my refund 7bit,I really need them badly :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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zslane

10 Nov 2016, 19:28

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nowai

10 Nov 2016, 23:52

thank you 7bit,this looks very promising!
I'll have to wait for phase 2 to happen though

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7bit

11 Nov 2016, 11:05

PayPal collector wanted!!!
PayPal collector wanted!!!
PayPal collector wanted!!!
PayPal collector wanted!!!
-----------------------------------------> :roll:

If you already paid, don't worry!
:-)

But I really need someone else to collect PayPal money.
:cry:

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