Can we design the teensy alternative for keyboards?

[nissarup]

As this board is targeted at people hand wiring the entire keyboard, I would argue that hand wiring two more wires is not an insurmountable ordeal

It would also allow us to pick a better spot for a real reset-button instead of having to make a hole in the case at the exact point of the board.

[matt3o]

while I agree with nissarup I also want to make the board newbie friendly.

[Sythe]

Thats fair enough.

I think 1 button is OK then. 2 isn't necessary.
Since its USB powered, just unplug the cable for reset.

Edit:
For the reset though, just leave the pads as is(and don't load) or change to through hole to allow anyone to add a button or w/e if they wish to.

[matt3o]

I think 1 button is OK then. 2 isn't necessary.
Since its USB powered, just unplug the cable for reset.

agreed!

[MrBishop]

yeah one button to throw it into bootloader mode is probably plenty.

[tentator]

check this https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/411

sorry guyz for the delay but I was out of town so far..
now I tried to apply the last patch mentioned up there since the rest should be already there, right?
anyway it seems not to change anything to me:

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10t8or@tentx MINGW64 /c/10t8or/Keyb/tmk_keyboard/keyboard/kl27z_onekey (master)
$ make
Compiler Options
arm-none-eabi-gcc -c -mcpu=cortex-m0plus -O2 -ggdb -fomit-frame-pointer -falign-functions=16 -std=gnu99 -DPROTOCOL_CHIBIOS -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -fno-common -include config.h -Wall -Wextra -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wa,-alms=build/lst/ -DCORTEX_USE_FPU=FALSE -DCONSOLE_ENABLE -DVERSION=4a9c27f-dirty -DTHUMB_PRESENT -mno-thumb-interwork -DTHUMB_NO_INTERWORKING -MD -MP -MF .dep/build.d -I. -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/license -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/startup/ARMCMx/compilers/GCC -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/common/startup/ARMCMx/devices/KL2x -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/ext/CMSIS/include -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/common/ext/CMSIS/KINETIS -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/rt/include -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/oslib/include -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/ports/ARMCMx -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/ports/ARMCMx/compilers/GCC -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/osal/rt -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/include -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/ports/common/ARMCMx -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/hal/ports/KINETIS/KL2x -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/hal/ports/KINETIS/LLD -I./boards/ELF -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/lib/streams -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/various -I../../tmk_core -I../../tmk_core/common -I../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios -I../../tmk_core/protocol -I. main.c -o main.o

Compiling crt0_v6m.S
Compiling chcoreasm_v6m.S
Compiling crt1.c
Compiling vectors.c
Compiling chsys.c
Compiling chdebug.c
Compiling chtrace.c
Compiling chvt.c
Compiling chschd.c
Compiling chthreads.c
Compiling chregistry.c
Compiling chsem.c
Compiling chmtx.c
Compiling chcond.c
Compiling chevents.c
Compiling chmsg.c
Compiling chdynamic.c
Compiling chmboxes.c
Compiling chmemcore.c
Compiling chheap.c
Compiling chmempools.c
Compiling chcore.c
Compiling chcore_v6m.c
Compiling osal.c
Compiling hal.c
Compiling hal_st.c
Compiling hal_buffers.c
Compiling hal_queues.c
Compiling hal_mmcsd.c
Compiling hal_pal.c
Compiling hal_usb.c
Compiling nvic.c
Compiling hal_lld.c
../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/hal/ports/KINETIS/KL2x/hal_lld.c:59:4: warning: #warning Please triple check your FSEC setting: KEYEN!=b10, MEEN==b10, SEC!=b10 leads to an unmodifiable chip. [-Wcpp]
   #warning Please triple check your FSEC setting: KEYEN!=b10, MEEN==b10, SEC!=b10 leads to an unmodifiable chip.
    ^~~~~~~
Compiling hal_pal_lld.c
Compiling hal_serial_lld.c
Compiling hal_i2c_lld.c
Compiling hal_ext_lld.c
Compiling hal_adc_lld.c
Compiling hal_gpt_lld.c
Compiling hal_pwm_lld.c
Compiling hal_st_lld.c
Compiling hal_usb_lld.c
Compiling board.c
Compiling chprintf.c
Compiling memstreams.c
Compiling nullstreams.c
Compiling usb_main.c
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c: In function 'usb_event_cb':
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:787:3: warning: enumeration value 'USB_EVENT_UNCONFIGURED' not handled in switch [-Wswitch]
   switch(event) {
   ^~~~~~
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c: In function 'init_usb_driver':
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:1036:3: warning: the address of 'console_queue_buffer' will always evaluate as 'true' [-Waddress]
   obqObjectInit(&console_buf_queue, console_queue_buffer, CONSOLE_EPSIZE, CONSOLE_QUEUE_CAPACITY, console_queue_onotify, (void*)usbp);
   ^~~~~~~~~~~~~
In file included from ../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:21:0:
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.h:119:32: warning: passing argument 3 of 'obqObjectInit' makes pointer from integer without a cast [-Wint-conversion]
 #define CONSOLE_EPSIZE         16
                                ^
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:1036:59: note: in expansion of macro 'CONSOLE_EPSIZE'
   obqObjectInit(&console_buf_queue, console_queue_buffer, CONSOLE_EPSIZE, CONSOLE_QUEUE_CAPACITY, console_queue_onotify, (void*)usbp);
                                                           ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In file included from ../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/include/hal.h:120:0,
                 from ../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:19:
../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/include/hal_buffers.h:295:8: note: expected 'uint8_t * {aka unsigned char *}' but argument is of type 'int'
   void obqObjectInit(output_buffers_queue_t *obqp, bool suspended, uint8_t *bp,
        ^~~~~~~~~~~~~
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:1036:99: warning: passing argument 5 of 'obqObjectInit' makes integer from pointer without a cast [-Wint-conversion]
   obqObjectInit(&console_buf_queue, console_queue_buffer, CONSOLE_EPSIZE, CONSOLE_QUEUE_CAPACITY, console_queue_onotify, (void*)usbp);
                                                                                                   ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In file included from ../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/include/hal.h:120:0,
                 from ../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:19:
../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/include/hal_buffers.h:295:8: note: expected 'size_t {aka unsigned int}' but argument is of type 'void (*)(io_buffers_queue_t *) {aka void (*)(struct io_buffers_queue *)}'
   void obqObjectInit(output_buffers_queue_t *obqp, bool suspended, uint8_t *bp,
        ^~~~~~~~~~~~~
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:1036:3: error: too few arguments to function 'obqObjectInit'
   obqObjectInit(&console_buf_queue, console_queue_buffer, CONSOLE_EPSIZE, CONSOLE_QUEUE_CAPACITY, console_queue_onotify, (void*)usbp);
   ^~~~~~~~~~~~~
In file included from ../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/include/hal.h:120:0,
                 from ../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:19:
../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/include/hal_buffers.h:295:8: note: declared here
   void obqObjectInit(output_buffers_queue_t *obqp, bool suspended, uint8_t *bp,
        ^~~~~~~~~~~~~
make: *** [build/obj/usb_main.o] Error 1

about the button I would also agree on putting just one of the two and using a cheaper panasonic one..

about physical dimentions it looks quite good to me also with "exotic" 60%-cases:

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photo5775987039341225998.jpg (96.61 KiB) Viewed 7479 times

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[matt3o]

tentator, did you patch both chibios and tmk?

[tlt]

I want to try one of these when they are done. Looks promising!

[tentator]

tentator, did you patch both chibios and tmk?

I only did what he mentioned in the last post when he says: "Still this pathc is needed to compile tmk."...

reason is that for instance the other file seems to me already patched:

in a/os/hal/src/hal_usb_hid.c I read:

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  obqObjectInit(&uhdp->obqueue, true, uhdp->ob,
                USB_HID_BUFFERS_SIZE, USB_HID_BUFFERS_NUMBER,
                obnotify, uhdp);

[tentator]

edit: oh fukc you are right the other one in tmk for some reason was not patched?! so I manually added the additional true argument.. now it works.. sorry.. will let you know how it works..
well just a couple of warnings.. hope they are harmless.. ahaha:

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$ make
Compiler Options
arm-none-eabi-gcc -c -mcpu=cortex-m0plus -O2 -ggdb -fomit-frame-pointer -falign-functions=16 -std=gnu99 -DPROTOCOL_CHIBIOS -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -fno-common -include config.h -Wall -Wextra -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-missing-field-initializers -Wa,-alms=build/lst/ -DCORTEX_USE_FPU=FALSE -DCONSOLE_ENABLE -DVERSION=4a9c27f-dirty -DTHUMB_PRESENT -mno-thumb-interwork -DTHUMB_NO_INTERWORKING -MD -MP -MF .dep/build.d -I. -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/license -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/startup/ARMCMx/compilers/GCC -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/common/startup/ARMCMx/devices/KL2x -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/ext/CMSIS/include -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/common/ext/CMSIS/KINETIS -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/rt/include -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/oslib/include -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/ports/ARMCMx -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/common/ports/ARMCMx/compilers/GCC -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/osal/rt -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/include -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/ports/common/ARMCMx -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/hal/ports/KINETIS/KL2x -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/hal/ports/KINETIS/LLD -I./boards/ELF -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/hal/lib/streams -I../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS/os/various -I../../tmk_core -I../../tmk_core/common -I../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios -I../../tmk_core/protocol -I. main.c -o main.o

Compiling crt0_v6m.S
Compiling chcoreasm_v6m.S
Compiling crt1.c
Compiling vectors.c
Compiling chsys.c
Compiling chdebug.c
Compiling chtrace.c
Compiling chvt.c
Compiling chschd.c
Compiling chthreads.c
Compiling chregistry.c
Compiling chsem.c
Compiling chmtx.c
Compiling chcond.c
Compiling chevents.c
Compiling chmsg.c
Compiling chdynamic.c
Compiling chmboxes.c
Compiling chmemcore.c
Compiling chheap.c
Compiling chmempools.c
Compiling chcore.c
Compiling chcore_v6m.c
Compiling osal.c
Compiling hal.c
Compiling hal_st.c
Compiling hal_buffers.c
Compiling hal_queues.c
Compiling hal_mmcsd.c
Compiling hal_pal.c
Compiling hal_usb.c
Compiling nvic.c
Compiling hal_lld.c
../../tmk_core/tool/chibios/ChibiOS-Contrib/os/hal/ports/KINETIS/KL2x/hal_lld.c:59:4: warning: #warning Please triple check your FSEC setting: KEYEN!=b10, MEEN==b10, SEC!=b10 leads to an unmodifiable chip. [-Wcpp]
   #warning Please triple check your FSEC setting: KEYEN!=b10, MEEN==b10, SEC!=b10 leads to an unmodifiable chip.
    ^~~~~~~
Compiling hal_pal_lld.c
Compiling hal_serial_lld.c
Compiling hal_i2c_lld.c
Compiling hal_ext_lld.c
Compiling hal_adc_lld.c
Compiling hal_gpt_lld.c
Compiling hal_pwm_lld.c
Compiling hal_st_lld.c
Compiling hal_usb_lld.c
Compiling board.c
Compiling chprintf.c
Compiling memstreams.c
Compiling nullstreams.c
Compiling usb_main.c
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c: In function 'usb_event_cb':
../../tmk_core/protocol/chibios/usb_main.c:787:3: warning: enumeration value 'USB_EVENT_UNCONFIGURED' not handled in switch [-Wswitch]
   switch(event) {
   ^~~~~~
Compiling main.c
Compiling kl27z_onekey.c
kl27z_onekey.c: In function 'matrix_is_on':
kl27z_onekey.c:67:27: warning: unused parameter 'row' [-Wunused-parameter]
 bool matrix_is_on(uint8_t row, uint8_t col)
                           ^~~
kl27z_onekey.c:67:40: warning: unused parameter 'col' [-Wunused-parameter]
 bool matrix_is_on(uint8_t row, uint8_t col)
                                        ^~~
kl27z_onekey.c: In function 'matrix_get_row':
kl27z_onekey.c:73:37: warning: unused parameter 'row' [-Wunused-parameter]
 matrix_row_t matrix_get_row(uint8_t row)
                                     ^~~
Compiling host.c
Compiling keyboard.c
Compiling action.c
../../tmk_core/common/action.c: In function 'debug_event':
../../tmk_core/common/action.c:555:29: warning: unused parameter 'event' [-Wunused-parameter]
 void debug_event(keyevent_t event)
                             ^~~~~
Compiling action_tapping.c
Compiling action_macro.c
Compiling action_layer.c
Compiling action_util.c
Compiling keymap.c
Compiling print.c
Compiling debug.c
Compiling util.c
Compiling hook.c
Compiling suspend.c
Compiling printf.c
Compiling timer.c
Compiling bootloader.c
Linking build/kl27z_onekey.elf
Creating build/kl27z_onekey.hex
Creating build/kl27z_onekey.bin
Creating build/kl27z_onekey.dmp

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Creating build/kl27z_onekey.list

Done

tent:wq

[tentator]

yes I confirm, it shows "a" when I press the key
and bytheway no problems in flashing from my lenovo laptop running on powered dockingstation here.. instead if I try to do it when connecting it to a usbhub (really cheap chinese one) then it won't.. but I should really throw that hub away actually..

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10t8or@tentx MINGW64 /c/10t8or/Keyb/tmk_keyboard/keyboard/kl27z_onekey (master)
$ ./blhost.exe -u -V -- flash-image build/kl27z_onekey.hex
Inject command 'flash-image'
Wrote 192 bytes to address 0
Successful generic response to command 'write-memory'
(1/2)100% Completed!
Successful generic response to command 'write-memory'
Wrote 22452 bytes to address 0x400
Successful generic response to command 'write-memory'
(2/2)100% Completed!
Successful generic response to command 'write-memory'
  - took 5.687 seconds
Response status = 0 (0x0) Success.

10t8or@tentx MINGW64 /c/10t8or/Keyb/tmk_keyboard/keyboard/kl27z_onekey (master)
$

10t8or@tentx MINGW64 /c/10t8or/Keyb/tmk_keyboard/keyboard/kl27z_onekey (master)
$ aaaaa

[matt3o]

yay! success!

I'll post a full tutorial soon! Also, the new boards won't have issues with any usb.

[tentator]

I'll test ps2 today trying to connect a trackpoint etc.

[Dan]

Why not the new USB-C connector? Is it more expensive to implement?

[matt3o]

excluded that because it is slightly bigger and wouldn't fit within the specifics

[pomk]

It's a lot more expensive part and we would have to use 4mil traces on the PCB as well making even that slightly more expensive

[MrBishop]

do all the pins on the USB side of the board do things? i see this as something that may cause issues or have the potential to make wiring those harder but not imposable. pinout please?

[tentator]

I do not see them as problematic to wire at all here from what I can see and test, these pins are anyway recessed compared to the usb that protrudes instead.

here the nice ascii pinout from hasu

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+    39 .....  44 \ conn / 1 ..... 6
+    38           |______|    LED  7
+     :  Rst                       :
+     :                            :
+    32  Bl                        13
+    31 .........24 23............ 14

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+    1   PTD6        12  PTC3         23  GND        34  PTE20
+    2   PTD5        13  PTC2         24  PTA18      35  PTA20   Reset
+    3   PTD4        14  PTC1         25  3.3V       36  PTA3    SWD_DIO
+    4   PTD3        15  PTC0         26  NMI        37  PTA0    SWD_CLK
+    5   PTD2        16  PTB17        27  PTA2       38  3.3V
+    6   PTD1        17  PTB16        28  PTA1       39  GND
+    7   PTD0        18  PTB3         29  PTE25      40  VBUS    VREGIN
+    8   PTC7        19  PTB2         30  PTE24      41  USB D-
+    9   PTC6        20  PTB1         31  PTE30      42  USB D+
+    10  PTC5        21  PTB0         32  PTE29      43  GND
+    11  PTC4        22  PTA19        33  PTE21      44  USB Shield

[tentator]

also consider that I now always do hand-wired keyboards using only insulated copper wire which I would suggest to anybody doing them since you really dramatically reduce and avoid shorts, maybe you can get different colored enameled copper wire if it would confuse too much if all wires are the same color then

like this down here:

2013-08-16+02_TrackPoint_annotated.png (176.93 KiB) Viewed 7305 times

[pomk]

Drew a graphical pinout diagram for the board.
Just need to swap the 3d model with a photo of the final production board.

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[hasu]

I'll test ps2 today trying to connect a trackpoint etc.

How does it work?
IIRC, the controller has no 5V tolerant pin unfortunately and not useful for TrackPoint and keyboard converters. I was thinking about STM32F0 whose pins are 5V tolerant but it requires voltate regulator to get 3.3V No perfect MCU meets all of our need

pomk, the diagram looks really nice and very useful.

matt3o, merged kl27z_onekey project into master branch and you can find here now.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/tre ... 27z_onekey

[tentator]

I'll test ps2 today trying to connect a trackpoint etc.

How does it work?
IIRC, the controller has no 5V tolerant pin unfortunately and not useful for TrackPoint and keyboard converters. I was thinking about STM32F0 whose pins are 5V tolerant but it requires voltate regulator to get 3.3V No perfect MCU meets all of our need

pomk, the diagram looks really nice and very useful.

matt3o, merged kl27z_onekey project into master branch and you can find here now.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/tre ... 27z_onekey

Hi hasu yes I'm having difficulties so far but still trying.. do you think I could add some component in between the ps2 and the board to improve my chances?

Also about your merge to master are also the above patches for the additional parameter in chibios in there now? Would be great. Anyway wanted to tell you that I was able to compile and flash under Windows without other issues and official arm toolchain/compiler.

Kr
Tent:wq

[tentator]

Drew a graphical pinout diagram for the board.
Just need to swap the 3d model with a photo of the final production board.

PINOUT.jpg

Nice!!
The pin 41 is USB- instead of + I think.. also I'd prefer a font that makes the number 1 character evidently different from a capital I or so what do you think?

[matt3o]

matt3o, merged kl27z_onekey project into master branch and you can find here now.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/tre ... 27z_onekey

Excellent! Thanks!

@tentator, sorry, what is that you want to do with the PS2 again?

[tentator]

To connect a ps2 based trackpoint device for example.. one of those with pointing stocks like on lenovo or other laptops that would be in a keyboard project showing up between keys g h and B

[matt3o]

okay so is the problem that you don't have 5v? Can't you get it directly from the USB?

[tentator]

No I think the 5v pin number 40 should be fine to give good power to the trackpoint.. the problem is more about the clock and the data pins that any ps2 has and that the level of them is also 5v range so it might be that it is not coŕectly interpreted by the kl27z or even worse I might damage it.. so wondering if I could put some components in between data and clock i/o Pins before connecting them to the board.. but maybe I'll be lucky and the board is more tolerant than we think.. I'm still work in progress.. trying to first of all correctly reset the trackpoint board after power up now.. then let's see.. but any suggestion on components for level adjustments are welcome

[tentator]

This might also apply for those that might want to use this board as a converter like soars or similar but honestly that would be a waste because of the so many i/o and nice layout this board has..

[tentator]

I'd probably need something like this: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12009
But maybe there's something simpler?

[matt3o]

I'd probably need something like this: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12009
But maybe there's something simpler?

I was going to suggest something like that but wouldn't be easier to find a 3.3v stick?