Which is nice, which is nice. But it's not AS nice.
Price Check: How much is my _____ worth?
- JP!
- Location: United States
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I have a new in box Key Tronic Syner G FlexPro ergonomic keyboard. Any ideas on the value? I realize this is an uncommon niche item.
- Khers
- ⧓
- Location: Sweden
- Main keyboard: LZ CLSh
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Ergo
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7bit charges €0.65 per switch for brand new ones: group-buys-f50/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.htmlbucyfer wrote: ↑Ive got 99 MX Whites (plate mount). IDK where I lost the 100th one .
How much should I ask for it to get rid of them reasonably quickly?
If you want to get rid of them quickly, undercut that by some margin. More if they're used.
- seebart
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- Location: Germany
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If it does have SKCM blue Alps at least 350 probably more though.
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
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Could well be a 555. It appears to have come with at least three different keycap sets that I know of (black, two coloured modifiers, three differently colour modifiers). That one seems consistent with the black keycap model. Yeah Focus!
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- Location: London
- Main keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K65
- Main mouse: Razer E-blue Mazer II
- Favorite switch: Cherry Red
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I should have showed you the switches, so here they are:
It seems visually to be an exact match, other than the keycaps being UK and more yellowed, to the photo at the bottom of the thread at https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80658.0 , and that is supposed to be an FK555.
When you say 350 is that US dollars, or Euros?
It seems visually to be an exact match, other than the keycaps being UK and more yellowed, to the photo at the bottom of the thread at https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80658.0 , and that is supposed to be an FK555.
When you say 350 is that US dollars, or Euros?
- seebart
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- Location: Germany
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Either, it could also fetch more depending on the condition! More pictures plz.m3mbrane wrote: ↑When you say 350 is that US dollars, or Euros?
- Wingklip
- Location: Sydnegrad, Soviet Republic of Australasia
- Main keyboard: IBM 3178 Model F C2
- Main mouse: G502 Logitech Proteus core
- Favorite switch: Beam/plate spring
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- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: Phantom TKL
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How much could I conceivably get for a good condition bolt modded teensy converted 1990 square label model M?
Would 150$ shipped be reasonable?
Would 150$ shipped be reasonable?
- seebart
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Yes but not much more and only because it's bolt modded + teensy.PancakeMSTR wrote: ↑How much could I conceivably get for a good condition bolt modded teensy converted 1990 square label model M?
Would 150$ shipped be reasonable?
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- Location: United States
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- fohat
- Elder Messenger
- Location: Knoxville, Tennessee, USA
- Main keyboard: Model F 122-key terminal
- Main mouse: Microsoft Optical Mouse
- Favorite switch: Model F Buckling Spring
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That seems high for the US. Bolt-modding usually adds little to the selling price, although it should be worth at least $30, in my opinion. Internationally they are much harder to find and should bring more.
If "square label" means metal badge on the right side, that usually indicates an older specimen and if that means the heavier back plate (>500 grams) then that is a big plus, but 1990 seems late for that.
If it is a terminal without LEDs, then that is probably a significant negative for many people.
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- Location: United States
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Seriously? 30 bux for a restored, converted, bolt modded Model M? That sounds preposterously low.fohat wrote: ↑That seems high for the US. Bolt-modding usually adds little to the selling price, although it should be worth at least $30, in my opinion. Internationally they are much harder to find and should bring more.
If "square label" means metal badge on the right side, that usually indicates an older specimen and if that means the heavier back plate (>500 grams) then that is a big plus, but 1990 seems late for that.
If it is a terminal without LEDs, then that is probably a significant negative for many people.
It is a version with the square, metal badge in the upper right corner, though I believe it doesn't use the heavier back plate (it's uniform grey steel, not the rainbow color that is indicative of the heavier plate, I believe).
It's not a terminal, it has working LEDs.
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- Location: United States
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That makes sense. My claim is that it's worth at least 100$ bolt modded and in good condition. The Teensy is 20$, so that brings it to 120$, plus "labor" associated with conversion being, say, another 20$, bringing it into the 130-150$ range.Laser wrote: ↑I read it as "adding 30$ to the non-bolted value", not 30$ in total.
- Harshmallow
- Location: Canada
- Main keyboard: Various (Home) / NMB RT-101+ Intel (Work)
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BTW - the plain steel backplate also went through changes, so the chromate steel plate is not always the only indication. I have a May 1987 Model M, for example, that weighs almost a pound more than my 1996 Greenoch model. I believe the heavier models should weigh around 5.5lbs.
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
- Main mouse: a cheap Logitech
- Favorite switch: Alps SKCM Blue
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The heaviest 101-key M I own is my 1388032 which is one of the first ones they made. That one is 2.5 kg, I think that's as heavy as they come. Normal rainbow plate ones are 2.2 kg as I recall. Later IBM-made ones 2.0 kg. Unicomp 1.8 kg if I'm not mistaken.
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- Location: Hungary
- Main keyboard: Chicony KB-5192, IBM Model M
- Favorite switch: SKCM White
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What does an ANSI Monterey k108 cost nowadays? With "monterey blue" switches.
- Yuubin
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: AEKII
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Cream colored ALPS
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I bought this set of Cherry GMK "windowed" keycaps awhile ago but have no board or project to use them with. So, I'm now thinking of selling them to make space for new aquisitions.
Any ideas what a fair price might be for this set? BTW, the two phone receiver caps are slightly damaged/scratched.
Cheers.
Any ideas what a fair price might be for this set? BTW, the two phone receiver caps are slightly damaged/scratched.
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- clickykeyboards
- Location: United States of America
- Main keyboard: 1395682, IBM model M 1985
- Main mouse: Logitech G500 weighted
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Note on weight of various model M keyboards over time.
http://www.clickeykeyboards.com/model-m ... 1986-2003/
http://www.clickeykeyboards.com/model-m ... 1986-2003/
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
- Main mouse: a cheap Logitech
- Favorite switch: Alps SKCM Blue
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Clicky, do you have a 1388032 as well? I don't have a balance accurate to two decimal digits to weigh mine, but it seems to be around 2.5 kg.
- clickykeyboards
- Location: United States of America
- Main keyboard: 1395682, IBM model M 1985
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I have been meaning to re-run the analysis and adding more data points. I have since added a few very early 1985 and 1986 original IBM keyboards to the archive and some recent 21st-century Made by Unicomps. I am working on reorganizing my workshop and tools this weekend, but I will examine one of the 1388032 that I have and post some thickness and weight measurements in the next few days.
Having gone through restoring thousands of model M keyboards, there are small but significant differences among the quality of materials that were used in model M keyboards over the design period and I am always happy to uncover an early model M with a thicker chromate-covered? plate and distraught when I find one that was made with cheaper "metal".
Unfortunately, most average people probably don't care and it is sometimes hard to encourage even the mechanical keyboard audience to appreciate the finer details and the costs of time and restoration work in finding authentic matching original IBM parts like key caps and ensuring that the keys have the exact matching font-width, font-color, and font-placement.
Having gone through restoring thousands of model M keyboards, there are small but significant differences among the quality of materials that were used in model M keyboards over the design period and I am always happy to uncover an early model M with a thicker chromate-covered? plate and distraught when I find one that was made with cheaper "metal".
Unfortunately, most average people probably don't care and it is sometimes hard to encourage even the mechanical keyboard audience to appreciate the finer details and the costs of time and restoration work in finding authentic matching original IBM parts like key caps and ensuring that the keys have the exact matching font-width, font-color, and font-placement.
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
- Main mouse: a cheap Logitech
- Favorite switch: Alps SKCM Blue
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Thanks, really looking forward to that. I've always found these changes over time very interesting ^^ . And of course you're in a perfect position to document that with Model Ms .clickykeyboards wrote: ↑I have been meaning to re-run the analysis and adding more data points. I have since added a few very early 1985 and 1986 original IBM keyboards to the archive and some recent 21st-century Made by Unicomps. I am working on reorganizing my workshop and tools this weekend, but I will examine one of the 1388032 that I have and post some thickness and weight measurements in the next few days.
Having gone through restoring thousands of model M keyboards, there are small but significant differences among the quality of materials that were used in model M keyboards over the design period and I am always happy to uncover an early model M with a thicker chromate-covered? plate and distraught when I find one that was made with cheaper "metal".
Unfortunately, most average people probably don't care and it is sometimes hard to encourage even the mechanical keyboard audience to appreciate the finer details and the costs of time and restoration work in finding authentic matching original IBM parts like key caps and ensuring that the keys have the exact matching font-width, font-color, and font-placement.
- clickykeyboards
- Location: United States of America
- Main keyboard: 1395682, IBM model M 1985
- Main mouse: Logitech G500 weighted
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We did that already when we posted the original content in 2013.
http://www.clickeykeyboards.com/model-m ... 1986-2003/
It is important to note both the weight of the model M keyboard as a part assembly (without cable) and the model M keyboard as a unit (including cable). Model M keyboards are not wireless and the cable is an important part to make it functional as a computer input device (and not as a pretty doorstop).
http://www.clickeykeyboards.com/model-m ... 1986-2003/
It is important to note both the weight of the model M keyboard as a part assembly (without cable) and the model M keyboard as a unit (including cable). Model M keyboards are not wireless and the cable is an important part to make it functional as a computer input device (and not as a pretty doorstop).
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- seebart
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Right, I remember looking at this. If you start adding the 1388032 then a cross section of all indy M's should be added for comparison otherwise it's not completely informative.clickykeyboards wrote: ↑We did that already when we posted the original content in 2013.