Texas Instruments Low Profile Customizable Layout + Fat Brown Alps?
- JP!
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I finally received a very interesting Texas Instruments keyboard in the mail today. I've been waiting a few weeks for this particular keyboard and could not be more excited.
The keys feel just awesome on this keyboard. In fact, every key works perfect. The switches are a lovely clicky tactile switch. Nice and smooth with a light clicky sound. I will need to do a full tear down, but am leaving for the weekend. More pics to follow.
So it appears this keyboard is one big array of switches! Removing one of these plastic caps reveals the extra switches. I've never seen anything quite like this before. I assumed it was empty space. Now I can experiment with different layouts.
The keys feel just awesome on this keyboard. In fact, every key works perfect. The switches are a lovely clicky tactile switch. Nice and smooth with a light clicky sound. I will need to do a full tear down, but am leaving for the weekend. More pics to follow.
So it appears this keyboard is one big array of switches! Removing one of these plastic caps reveals the extra switches. I've never seen anything quite like this before. I assumed it was empty space. Now I can experiment with different layouts.
- Daniel Beardsmore
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OK now that's weird — those switch shells have Alps-style markings on them. Maybe it really is Alps.
- seebart
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Wow, not often we see new switch discoveries.
- Myoth
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if they are brown and Alps ...
though what generation of Alps would it be ?
- JP!
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It almost seems like a prototype keyboard to me, yet there is a serial number which shows many were produced. It really would be expensive to build keyboards with a ton of extra switches. If an end user could move their keys I guess they would just need software or write their own to remap the keys.
It seems like every key can can be moved except for the spacebar and big enter key.
It seems like every key can can be moved except for the spacebar and big enter key.
- seebart
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That last pic...
Quite a find after all, when you have time you really need to go into detail on this one JP! !
Quite a find after all, when you have time you really need to go into detail on this one JP! !
Absolutely. #DTA7Mattr567 wrote: ↑If these are real Alps then this is one of the biggest discovery's this year, in the Alps world at least.
- //gainsborough
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This is so cool!!!!!!!!! I agree that you should open a switch! Also allow me to formally request a typing video! =)
- JP!
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Wow, thanks for sharing that. I did not find much online. This business pro system seems pretty obscure. I did find a system manual. It's really interesting that such an emphasis was placed on adjustability. This is evident with the multitude of keys which can be rearrainged, adjustable keyboard foot to change the angle, three different notches for routing the keyboard cable and a monitor with a keyboard connector on both the right and left side.
- Darkshado
- Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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Are these actually discrete switches or a slider over membrane setup?
The curved profile makes me suspicious. (I know, I know, Kinesis and Model F have curved PCBs.)
The curved profile makes me suspicious. (I know, I know, Kinesis and Model F have curved PCBs.)
- paecific.jr
- Location: United States
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Interesting! I also second the motion for making a video!
- flowerlandfilms
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Looks like Fat Alps really are a thing.
I wouldn't put it passed Texas Instruments to commission their own switch.
They were a big deal then as they are now, and when they want to do something they just do it.
They are pretty ruthless, but it's a Silicon Prairie vs Silicon Valley mindest, an interesting corporate culture.
I wouldn't put it passed Texas Instruments to commission their own switch.
They were a big deal then as they are now, and when they want to do something they just do it.
They are pretty ruthless, but it's a Silicon Prairie vs Silicon Valley mindest, an interesting corporate culture.
- seebart
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I doubt it's a prototype and I doubt the swtich is Alps Electric until proven in detail. The PCB might give some insight. Nice ad ohaimark!
- Menuhin
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+1 !!!Mattr567 wrote: ↑Open a switch up!
If these are real Alps then this is one of the biggest discovery's this year, in the Alps world at least.
- JP!
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Stay tuned for the teardown. I may need to defer to the experts here to get a switch safely disassembled.
Last edited by JP! on 29 Oct 2017, 15:01, edited 1 time in total.
- seebart
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At least you have enough switches.JP! wrote: ↑Stay tuned for the teardown. I may need to defer to the experts here to get a switch safety disassembled.
- E3E
- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: Blue, Neon Green, Striped Amber, Cream Alps, Topre
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If it's Alps Electric, cool. Looks like they screwed up a batch of SKCM Brown. )
They aren't compatible with SKCM/SKCL so it's more of a novelty in my eyes, but I am certainly curious to see what the teardown and switch disassembly comes up with.
They aren't compatible with SKCM/SKCL so it's more of a novelty in my eyes, but I am certainly curious to see what the teardown and switch disassembly comes up with.
- JP!
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I'm thinking a comparison video between my brown Alps IBM 5140 keyboard and the TI is in order.
Also my current theory is that this design makes it easier to remove keys with the included key puller tool.
Also my current theory is that this design makes it easier to remove keys with the included key puller tool.
- JP!
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Just got home and couldn't wait to take this board apart I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say this is Alps Electric. I currently do not own a soldering station so am not able to remove a switch.
- Mattr567
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WOWWWW!
That thing is crazy! 12KC513B PCB code sounds a lot like normal SKCM/SKCL PCB codes, specifically the "KC" part. Curved PCB and mounting plate is
You don't need to desolder a switch to open it up, at least with normal SKCM/SKCL switches. Looks like you can here as well. Super curious to see what the inside holds
That thing is crazy! 12KC513B PCB code sounds a lot like normal SKCM/SKCL PCB codes, specifically the "KC" part. Curved PCB and mounting plate is
You don't need to desolder a switch to open it up, at least with normal SKCM/SKCL switches. Looks like you can here as well. Super curious to see what the inside holds
- JP!
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The guts. Sorry for the potato iPhone camera as usual.
- seebart
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Alright I'm NOT in doubt anymore, at all.
Really impressive find. #DTA7
Really impressive find. #DTA7
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
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So they ARE a type of brown Alps? There's a dummy plate in there as well.
Is that a GREEN switchplate, too? And that thing in the spring?
WHAAAAA-
Is that a GREEN switchplate, too? And that thing in the spring?
WHAAAAA-
- seebart
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Yeah this find expands the Alps Vortex yet again. Shocking really. I wouldn't call them "a type of brown Alps" though, at least not yet. Oh yeah since you discovered these you get to name them JP! Good luck with that...
- E3E
- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: Blue, Neon Green, Striped Amber, Cream Alps, Topre
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Wow. Yeah, they're essentially a custom variant of SKCM Browns specifically for this model of board. Interesting pastel blue switchplates too. What's with the captive return spring on the slider and the loose one on the housing? It uses two springs per switch?
Is the tactile leaf part of a dummy switch plate that is removable like SKCM Brown Alps?
Yeah, I wouldn't say these are SKCM/SKCL. They're a unique switch clearly based on the aforementioned switches, but obviously incompatible keycap wise.
I wonder if they'd fit in standard Alps plates. Really weird stuff.
Is the tactile leaf part of a dummy switch plate that is removable like SKCM Brown Alps?
Yeah, I wouldn't say these are SKCM/SKCL. They're a unique switch clearly based on the aforementioned switches, but obviously incompatible keycap wise.
I wonder if they'd fit in standard Alps plates. Really weird stuff.
- seebart
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I'd think that's way too early to say that. Rare yes as we've never seen them but even that means little to nothing.E3E wrote: ↑Wow. Yeah, they're essentially a custom variant of SKCM Browns specifically for this model of board.