Another instalment in the Teardown series, today we look at what's arguably the best keyboard switch in all of history. Hope you enjoy the video!
Teardown - IBM beamsprings
- vometia
- irritant
- Location: Somewhere in England
- Main keyboard: Durrr-God with fancy keycaps
- Main mouse: Roccat Malarky
- Favorite switch: Avocent Thingy
- DT Pro Member: 0184
Very interesting video, and that's speaking as someone who very rarely manages to sit through a video. A bit of a revelation to me too, given the beam spring's reputation, I'd imagined the switch to be hideously complicated and made of the finest jewels: curious to see it's only a moderately complex switch and for that reason I'm wondering why nobody else has made them considering it's a sort of holy grail. I mean assuming it's not vintage patents still standing in the way.
I guess "big and tall" is a reason when everybody likes low-profile keyboards, it seems, but I could probably live with e.g. my Model M being half an inch or so taller. There must be a market for these. With nice, spherical caps with centred legends. Come on, keyboard manufacturers, somebody must want to resurrect the legendary beam springs.
I guess "big and tall" is a reason when everybody likes low-profile keyboards, it seems, but I could probably live with e.g. my Model M being half an inch or so taller. There must be a market for these. With nice, spherical caps with centred legends. Come on, keyboard manufacturers, somebody must want to resurrect the legendary beam springs.
- Chyros
- Location: The Netherlands
- Main keyboard: whatever I'm reviewing next :p
- Main mouse: a cheap Logitech
- Favorite switch: Alps SKCM Blue
- DT Pro Member: -
What do you think is inaccurate about it?__red__ wrote: ↑Nice video as always however, I'm not sure your description as to how the sensing works is accurate.
Arguably, that only matters to those of us building replacement PCBs or capsense circuits.
I delve more deeply into it in my F122 video, btw.
- Scarpia
- Location: Sweden
- Main keyboard: F77 / Alps SKCM Brown TKL
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Anywhere 2
- Favorite switch: Capacitive BS, Alps SKCM Brown
- DT Pro Member: 0223
Thanks for this video, it was really interesting and easy to follow (sometimes when I watch more complicated switch teardowns I walk away still not understanding how the heck it all fit together).
- TuxKey
- LLAP
- Location: Netherlands
- Main keyboard: Leopold FC660C, Leopold FC660M mx-clears
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Trackpad, ducky Secret (PBT mouse)
- Favorite switch: Cherry MX-clear, Topre 45gr/55gr
- DT Pro Member: 0137
having worked for years @ ibm ...i associate this switch with work ..for years that was ok and joyful....these days i don't care for it hahaha don't remember typing on one to be honest.. usually i was standing in a loud computer room .. thinking back i think it was ok a bit loud don't know what all the fuss is about to be honnest.. perhaps it's bin to long for me..
ahh i'm happy with my topre board.. only switchs on my wish list are the hako's and the new zilent switches from zeal..
perhaps i'l find one of these boards in at the next dutch meetup..
ahh i'm happy with my topre board.. only switchs on my wish list are the hako's and the new zilent switches from zeal..
perhaps i'l find one of these boards in at the next dutch meetup..
- Mr.JAM
- Location: Seoul, South Korea
- Main keyboard: IBM Model F AT
- Main mouse: RaZER Mamba Chroma
- Favorite switch: ALPS Blue, Buckling Spring, Futaba MA Clicky
- DT Pro Member: -
@chyros
https://youtu.be/p_JTZo2rKmw?t=7m31s
Your explanation is not wrong, but I think it would be better to explain about the charge and drain of capacitor with this way. http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsens ... x1-90003.1 it's not have to be AC, and it could be done with PULSE DC. So, actually it should be the voltage difference sensing, not capsensing.
https://youtu.be/p_JTZo2rKmw?t=7m31s
Your explanation is not wrong, but I think it would be better to explain about the charge and drain of capacitor with this way. http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsens ... x1-90003.1 it's not have to be AC, and it could be done with PULSE DC. So, actually it should be the voltage difference sensing, not capsensing.
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- Location: Beamspringville
- Main keyboard: 4704
- DT Pro Member: 0186
Looks like my phone ate my last reply.Chyros wrote: ↑What do you think is inaccurate about it?
I delve more deeply into it in my F122 video, btw.
Basically, you said that it worked by comparing the change in capacitance against a third pad. As far as I understand it, that's not quite how it works. I'm prepared to be wrong - please tell me if I'm mistaken!
The earliest boards just had two pads on the top and a ground-plane underneath them. The plate would change the capacitance between those two pads which was then detected.
When we move to the three pad model, there are two capacitors in series:
Incoming bad ascii-arts:
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The right-pad and pad below form another (static value) capacitor.
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C1 C2
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But then again, I could be completely wrong
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- Location: Beamspringville
- Main keyboard: 4704
- DT Pro Member: 0186
I think that's a distinction without a difference since that is how capsense typically works.Mr.JAM wrote: ↑So, actually it should be the voltage difference sensing, not capsensing.
(Although strictly speaking, the term 'capsense' is a Cypress trademark as opposed to a technical method)