Premature talk of future improvements? That’s a dangerous path:LessPaul wrote: ↑18 Aug 2019, 18:19I am a bit confused regarding the possible Bluetooth option which may be offered in the future. I had thought the F62/F77 keyboard manufacturing was going to be a one and done sort of thing, however this seems to indicate there will be future production runs, with possible additional options. Where did I become confused?
I took a look at my old Model F(pictured in another thread here) and it too has a half space before Up and no space before Dn. Considering it took this long for anyone to notice, for paying maximum homage to the original i would keep the half space before Up, at the very least i hope there could be space in an odd template for it eventually?
Well, i for one am loving the drawn-out schedule, i wish the guy would chime in who started writing about joining the GB when he was in high school, he must've graduated by now and gone off to college, that is the mindset you need with this. Get by with what you can to survive, but get ready for It to arrive. I'm thinking even silenced with floss and lightly greased the Ellipse F's are likely to be about as loud as my XT F, so taking it to the office is going to be interesting. Good thing most of us who came up on old F can set up a proper (sound-proofed) office and/or study. In fact, i want a early eighties-styled pre-office and office, complete with cute(but not too hot) secretary and the fine leather smoke-filled lounge feeling.
I'm very much against keeping the spacing in "PgUp" and "PgDn" for the front-printed keys HHKB-set. It looks very inconsistent and messy when those legends look like "Pg Up" and "Pg Dn" when other legends are spelled "PrtSc" and "ScrLk".yac wrote: ↑22 Aug 2019, 18:26I took a look at my old Model F(pictured in another thread here) and it too has a half space before Up and no space before Dn. Considering it took this long for anyone to notice, for paying maximum homage to the original i would keep the half space before Up, at the very least i hope there could be space in an odd template for it eventually?
The spaces are being taken out for the HHKB front print and to be consistent, I was going to take them out of the other sets (Industrial SSK and SSK Num Pad) which have them as well. This leaves the top print from the base set num pad and num pad options to deal with. I am not a fan of having a mix of space and no space especially since IBM took the space out of the legend that (at least in my version) is not as wide to begin with. (Pg Dn < Pg Up by .25mm) I would prefer to be consistent between the top print and front print legends but I guess there really won't be anyone putting front print "Pg Up" and "Pg Dn" keys on a keyboard with a top print num pad.ryvnf wrote: ↑22 Aug 2019, 21:24I'm very much against keeping the spacing in "PgUp" and "PgDn" for the front-printed keys HHKB-set. It looks very inconsistent and messy when those legends look like "Pg Up" and "Pg Dn" when other legends are spelled "PrtSc" and "ScrLk".yac wrote: ↑22 Aug 2019, 18:26I took a look at my old Model F(pictured in another thread here) and it too has a half space before Up and no space before Dn. Considering it took this long for anyone to notice, for paying maximum homage to the original i would keep the half space before Up, at the very least i hope there could be space in an odd template for it eventually?
When you say that the original Model F keyboards have spacing between "Pg" and "Up" you are looking at the legends on the numpad. I would be fine keeping those legends for the numpad to stay true to the original. The numpad also doesn't have other key legends that make that look completely out of place (like the HHKB-frontprinted set).
And while it took a couple of months until someone pointed that out, I noticed it almost immediately after I started looking at what keys to order. And more people will notice the inconsistency when the keyboards ship. Fixing it now wouldn't require more than adjusting the legends a couple of pixels. Leave it like it is and people like me will have to live with the inconsistency forever.
I post my comparison picture here again. Look at how inconsistent "Pg Up" and "Pg Dn" looks next to "PrtSc" and "ScrLk". IBM wouldn't have accepted this.
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Uhm.. you misattributed that quote. I never said that. That was segacontroller. When I was reading that quote, it felt so strange because it didn't sound like me. I was wondering how I was unable to recognize my own writing.
Not even close. Certain other keyboards' caps are subject to all kinds of fist fights regarding the kerning between two given letters.
I think the hardest selling point for the repros, at least with some people (*), is going to be the physical layouts themselves. Sure, compact lovers will be happy with the F62, but those (**) who cut their teeth with the larger form factors (TKL and upwards) will forever bemoan the lack of a proper F row, even if using an F77. Many times during the course of the early bird round, I've refrained myself from saying "Ellìpse, go TKL!" or "75%, FFS!", knowing that you're focused on the classic 4704 layouts. But...Ellipse wrote: ↑31 Aug 2019, 21:19As we wait for the factory to wrap up mass assembly in a two weeks, I have written an article on misconceptions about the Model F. The goal of the article is to help explain some of the initial hesitations people have had about the Model F before they did some more reading and research. I think that the biggest barrier to increased adoption of the Model F is lack of awareness in the market.
If you have anything to add or discuss that would help convince people on the Model F feel free to post here or message me.
https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/misconc ... ople-away/
I'd include more differences between membrane buckling spring and capacitive, explaining that model F's are far superior to their later M brothers. Many that are new to this hobby don't even know about model F's, since the model M has a lot more coverage and fame.Ellipse wrote: ↑31 Aug 2019, 21:19As we wait for the factory to wrap up mass assembly in a two weeks, I have written an article on misconceptions about the Model F. The goal of the article is to help explain some of the initial hesitations people have had about the Model F before they did some more reading and research. I think that the biggest barrier to increased adoption of the Model F is lack of awareness in the market.
If you have anything to add or discuss that would help convince people on the Model F feel free to post here or message me.
https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/misconc ... ople-away/
when you say hammers, I assume you are talking about the thing that actually makes contact with the pcb(still a noob when it comes to these old keyboards)?Redmaus wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 20:45I'd include more differences between membrane buckling spring and capacitive, explaining that model F's are far superior to their later M brothers. Many that are new to this hobby don't even know about model F's, since the model M has a lot more coverage and fame.Ellipse wrote: ↑31 Aug 2019, 21:19As we wait for the factory to wrap up mass assembly in a two weeks, I have written an article on misconceptions about the Model F. The goal of the article is to help explain some of the initial hesitations people have had about the Model F before they did some more reading and research. I think that the biggest barrier to increased adoption of the Model F is lack of awareness in the market.
If you have anything to add or discuss that would help convince people on the Model F feel free to post here or message me.
https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/misconc ... ople-away/
I feel explaining such a major difference in detail would go a long way. With pictures of comparing a model F PCB to a model M membrane, and pictures showing model F hammers compared to model M hammers. Hope this helps
Good catch, it was by mistake, nested quotes got me. Apologies!Humanoid wrote: ↑23 Aug 2019, 07:04Uhm.. you misattributed that quote. I never said that. That was segacontroller. When I was reading that quote, it felt so strange because it didn't sound like me. I was wondering how I was unable to recognize my own writing.