I just picked up an Apple II+ clone with a defective PSU, a very nice amber monitor and two keyboards.
One of the latter is named 'Operator' and seems to sport some kind of Cherry switches with double shot keycaps.
I will recap the PSU and the rest of the mainboard tonight and see if the thing does fire up.
Has anyone seen this kind of switch before? I couldn't find anything remotely similar in the wiki.
The cherry-like board has a linear feel, slightly firmer than a brown MX, but very smooth.
German Apple II+ clone with 2 keyboards
- Daniel Beardsmore
- Location: Hertfordshire, England
- Main keyboard: Filco Majestouch 1 (home)/Poker II backlit (work)
- Main mouse: MS IMO 1.1
- Favorite switch: Probably not whatever I wrote here
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Is the town/city of manufacture given? I'm guessing East Germany, as I don't think West Germany would get away with ripping off Apple like that. In which case, it could be anything from the Soviet era. The Cherry-like switches could be ИЗОТ for example, especially if they are M9-like or M8-like (both of which ИЗОТ cloned).
Whatever those red switches are, they look a bit suspect to me. It's hard to tell, but they do appear to be flat base assemblies, rather than a single moulding. I can't see any sign of a PCB though. You should remove a group of keycaps, or open up the keyboard — the PCB may be branded.
The keycaps are reminiscent of Siemens but the shape is different.
Whatever those red switches are, they look a bit suspect to me. It's hard to tell, but they do appear to be flat base assemblies, rather than a single moulding. I can't see any sign of a PCB though. You should remove a group of keycaps, or open up the keyboard — the PCB may be branded.
The keycaps are reminiscent of Siemens but the shape is different.
- Nuum
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: KBD8X Mk I (60g Clears), Phantom (Nixdorf Blacks)
- Main mouse: Corsair M65 PRO RGB
- Favorite switch: 60g MX Clears/Brown Alps/Buckling spring
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Ha, I know this board, I have the same one in my possession, albeit with different keycaps. I even have the manual, which identifies the manufacturer as AFC from Cologne and the keyboard name as 'Operator'. As far as I can tell this keyboard is from 1983.
The manual tells the user how to connect it to their computer, since this keyboard was made for a multitude of different systems. The numpad and the F keys apparently can be programmed freely by reprogramming the EPROM, it says that text macros are also possible.
The switches on mine are a bit stiff and bindy, I guess there is some dust in them. It's a membrane switch assembly unfortunately, therefore I can't open a switch without destroying the plastic rivets holding them to the bottom plate.
The manual tells the user how to connect it to their computer, since this keyboard was made for a multitude of different systems. The numpad and the F keys apparently can be programmed freely by reprogramming the EPROM, it says that text macros are also possible.
The switches on mine are a bit stiff and bindy, I guess there is some dust in them. It's a membrane switch assembly unfortunately, therefore I can't open a switch without destroying the plastic rivets holding them to the bottom plate.
- seebart
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Highly interesting thanks for the information JohnZD & Nuum! Also reminds me of RAFI in some ways.
- vometia
- irritant
- Location: Somewhere in England
- Main keyboard: Durrr-God with fancy keycaps
- Main mouse: Roccat Malarky
- Favorite switch: Avocent Thingy
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The strange keycaps remind me of something Adler made in about the mid '80s, I think some sort of home computer, but other than that extremely vague memory I'm afraid I don't recall anything useful.
- Nuum
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: KBD8X Mk I (60g Clears), Phantom (Nixdorf Blacks)
- Main mouse: Corsair M65 PRO RGB
- Favorite switch: 60g MX Clears/Brown Alps/Buckling spring
- DT Pro Member: 0084
Do you mean the Triumph Adler Alphatronics series? They have the same keycaps as some of their typewriters, but in white/off-white instead of dark brown:
(Shameless plug of my own board with those TA typewriter keycaps) Not too similar, I'm afraid.
(Shameless plug of my own board with those TA typewriter keycaps) Not too similar, I'm afraid.
- vometia
- irritant
- Location: Somewhere in England
- Main keyboard: Durrr-God with fancy keycaps
- Main mouse: Roccat Malarky
- Favorite switch: Avocent Thingy
- DT Pro Member: 0184
Oh, yeah, that'll be the one! I honestly couldn't remember a thing about it other than it being cream and orange and the reviewer liking its keyboard.
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cyberfritz
- Location: Germany
I look for the manual to this keyboard for a long time. I got a (serial) version of it for the "Gepard Computer", and a friend of mine (a parallel) one for the Apple II.Nuum wrote: 08 Sep 2017, 11:44 Ha, I know this board, I have the same one in my possession, albeit with different keycaps. I even have the manual, which identifies the manufacturer as AFC from Cologne and the keyboard name as 'Operator'. As far as I can tell this keyboard is from 1983.
The manual tells the user how to connect it to their computer, since this keyboard was made for a multitude of different systems. The numpad and the F keys apparently can be programmed freely by reprogramming the EPROM, it says that text macros are also possible.
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Would it be possible to have a scan of the Operator manual?
Unfortunately, I can’t help with a manual, even though I was once the author of it. The OPERATOR keyboard was the smaller sister of the ALPHAKEY keyboard, both developed by AFC Computer in Cologne and manufactured between 1984/85 and around 1988.
The key modules were supplied by Schoeller Electronic Systems and, unlike the ALPHAKEY, did not use individual Siemens switches. At the time, this was called a membrane keyboard – a mechanical key frame mounted on a switch film, which made it much more affordable to produce.
The keyboard existed in several versions:
• OPERATOR I – with functions permanently programmed into the EPROM,
• OPERATOR II – with keys that could be programmed directly by the user (EEPROM), and
• OPERATOR IIe – a special version for the Apple IIe, featuring the Apple key and a switching function for the screen character set.
An additional port allowed the connection of barcode and magnetic card readers, which could then be used as keyboard input in all programs without any further adaptation.
Depending on the version, the OPERATOR was sold for about 400–700 DM, making it considerably cheaper than the larger ALPHAKEY, which cost between 1200 and 1600 DM.
The directly programmable versions had a PRG key. To program a key, you pressed PRG, then the key to be programmed, followed by the desired key sequence, and finished again with PRG.
You can find a German manual for the ALPHAKEY — which I also wrote at the time — here:
https://archive.org/details/alphakey-ii ... ch-deutsch
The key modules were supplied by Schoeller Electronic Systems and, unlike the ALPHAKEY, did not use individual Siemens switches. At the time, this was called a membrane keyboard – a mechanical key frame mounted on a switch film, which made it much more affordable to produce.
The keyboard existed in several versions:
• OPERATOR I – with functions permanently programmed into the EPROM,
• OPERATOR II – with keys that could be programmed directly by the user (EEPROM), and
• OPERATOR IIe – a special version for the Apple IIe, featuring the Apple key and a switching function for the screen character set.
An additional port allowed the connection of barcode and magnetic card readers, which could then be used as keyboard input in all programs without any further adaptation.
Depending on the version, the OPERATOR was sold for about 400–700 DM, making it considerably cheaper than the larger ALPHAKEY, which cost between 1200 and 1600 DM.
The directly programmable versions had a PRG key. To program a key, you pressed PRG, then the key to be programmed, followed by the desired key sequence, and finished again with PRG.
You can find a German manual for the ALPHAKEY — which I also wrote at the time — here: