Advice – best small PC?

JBert

22 Nov 2012, 21:04

rodtang wrote:ATI is no more, it's AMD now and yes, they're the ones with better Linux support.
I have never had trouble getting hardware-accelerated OpenGL going with nVidia... Sure, it's a proprietary driver, but it still gets updated for new kernels.
It wasn't always that easy with ATI drivers, mostly due to DRI and Mesa3D progressing at a glacial pace.

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Calade

25 Nov 2012, 13:39

If you want the best in any PC category other than laptops, I got just one word for you: custom. Even if the specs of a pre-built machine are good, they always cheap out on at least some parts. Especially big and evil companies like Dell. And yet they cost more than a custom rig built with proper quality parts, at least around here.

I recently built myself a gaming rig inside a Lian-Li Q25B. Naturally a sleek and tiny ITX case like this isn't the optimal enclosure for a high-end rig, but I think it is pretty much the best-looking production case ever made. I'm running AsRock Z77E-ITX, Intel i5 3570K, Samsung's 30nm RAM and a reference-cooler Zotac GTX 670. The GTX 670 is already a pretty big card, but even though this case is so small, it can easily handle any two-slot GPU.

Because of the less-than-optimal airflow, I got a Corsair H80 as the CPU cooler to prevent the infamous Ivy from melting under load. This meant that I had to remove the big HDD rack from the front, but you can still attach 2-3 drives to the bottom. Assembling this took a bit more work than your usual custom rig, and of course way more time than going to the shop for a pre-built machine, but man am I happy with the result. If you've never built your own PC, it's probably a lot easier than you think. You can easily find information on good component choices from sites like Reddit's /r/buildapc or hardware forums... or me.

As for AMD vs. Nvidia, I've long been a supporter of the green camp. In my experience, AMD's drivers and especially the Cataclyst Control Center are a joke. I'm a Windows user, so I can't say anything about the Linux side. And at least with the recent high-end models, AMD seems to be falling behind Nvidia in GPUs just like they are falling behind Intel in CPUs. They may have the most powerful video card at the moment, but it consumes so much power that it's just not worth it.

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Daniel Beardsmore

25 Nov 2012, 13:51

I never understood the appeal of cases with no LEDs (except possibly power), no ports of any kind, and no access to the optical drive. (It's another cube-shaped case, but there's probably a decent narrow case somewhere.) You also trust me not to cheap out on parts, either deliberately, or unintentionally; that's assuming the parts I buy are even compatible and suitable.

But then, if I wanted to watch my HDD die while wasting years trying to figure out something worse than Alps, I wouldn't have posted this topic.

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Calade

25 Nov 2012, 14:24

I'm really into designs that are as plain as possible. I used to like all the LEDs and blings when I was younger, but now I'm all about the Scandinavian simplicity. :) You don't really need an optical drive nowadays with big, dirt-cheap USB drives and fast internet connections. Absence of front ports could be considered a downside of this case, but on the other hand it's designed to be on your desk and it's so small that I can easily plug anything I want in the back and then take it off again. Not that I even use USB drives frequently anymore.

And when I'm talking about cheaping out on parts, I mean stuff like using a motherboard, PSU or RAM from nameless Chinese manufacturer X, with questionable quality and reliability. Such options aren't really even open to people who build the machines themselves, since self-respecting IT shops don't stock that crap. As for compatibility issues, I'd say that nowadays they are pretty much limited to things like choosing a motherboard and a CPU that have the same socket, which is really easy. I haven't run into the more complicated issues like RAM incompatibility (meaning that the RAM is basically of the right type but just doesn't work with your motherboard) in ages. And like I said, if you don't know which parts to pick yourself, ask the experts!

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Daniel Beardsmore

25 Nov 2012, 14:26

Well, seeing as my PC arrives in two days, that's kind of too late.

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Calade

25 Nov 2012, 15:36

Well, tips for the future or for anyone else reading this thread. :)

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Daniel Beardsmore

25 Nov 2012, 18:58

No, I asked what PC I should buy. For some reason most people either cannot, or will not, answer the question posted, and insist on answering one of their own choosing.

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Calade

25 Nov 2012, 19:31

Err? You asked what PC you should buy, and I told you to buy a custom one, because a custom small PC is the "best small PC" you are looking for in the title. Whether you build it yourself or get it from the local IT expert shop is your decision. If you really don't want to get into knowing computers better, go to the shop. In my experience they usually use good parts, but naturally you pay extra for their work.

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phetto
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29 Nov 2012, 16:07

Daniel Beardsmore wrote:
madmalkav wrote:You know you can use a Windows ISO with the serial that comes with the PC, right?
I'm familiar with the idea of altering the OEM files on the CD to match your manufacturer, but I've never tried it. I don't know any other techniques.
phetto wrote:I have been using Shuttle pcs for a few years now, works good. Pricey as hell though
The only Shuttle PCs I've encountered were unreliable and a nuisance to maintain. (Seem to recall Shuttle didn't make any drivers available for older models.)

What's the advantage of Shuttle over other brands?
One of the advantages is that you are able to build an extremely powerful pc with sli/crossfire in a neat case.

There are also carrying bags for it that makes it easy to transport

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Daniel Beardsmore

29 Nov 2012, 18:56

Ah, my PC lives on my desk at home. And I rarely play video games (and even then it's Worms in DOSbox :)

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Half-Saint

02 Dec 2012, 20:35

I used to obsess over small PCs so I built this:

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HP_Epia_closeup by Mr. Mayhem, on Flickr

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Daniel Beardsmore

02 Dec 2012, 21:29

Looks to be a similar size to my Motorola StarMax.

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phetto
Elite

02 Dec 2012, 22:56

Daniel Beardsmore wrote:Ah, my PC lives on my desk at home. And I rarely play video games (and even then it's Worms in DOSbox :)
If you dont play any games you can build a really nice computer around this case - http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.p ... 61&area=en

I think it comes with 600w PSU and its really cheap. Looks nice too =)

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Daniel Beardsmore

02 Dec 2012, 23:10

My only grievance with the Dell is that it seems comparatively noisy. Possibly the CPU fan, not sure. OTOH hard drive activity is virtually silent, which is useful in any OS that beats the crap out of the drive any time the machine is idle. (I was going to do the whole 1 SSD, 1 HDD thing, but that's prohibited. No idea why.)

I guess there's nothing to stop me building another new PC and selling this one (assuming I had anywhere to sell it — I won't touch eBay), but what would I really gain? I'd only end up losing out over something else.

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