[IC] DSA spherical

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 00:35

7bit wrote:
matt3o wrote:oh just got pricing. they are pretty good except for kit 2 and 3 which are in the $50 range at 50 tier. All the rest goes from 9 to 25 (always at the 50 tier). Anyway you can have a TKL/colemak/dvorak/winkeyless/... with $75 which seems pretty reasonable. Tomorrow or in the weekend I'll start the group buy.

It would be possible to make a standard DSA spacebar but it would cost us around $800.
800/25 == $32
800/50 == $16

This is not out of reach!

Will it be 6.25 units, or 6 units?

yes, that's not unreachable. It would be 6 units, but who knows, maybe 6.25 would be also possible. I actually would prefer 6

but of course 6.25 would be more wide spread

7bit · 08 Feb 2013, 00:41

I'm afraid a 6.25 units key would cost alittle more. We paid $3500 for the tools of each space bar in the SA-family (6.25 and 7 units). A G80-18000 space bar should be quite useful.

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 00:45

7bit wrote:I'm afraid a 6.25 units key would cost alittle more. We paid $3500 for the tools of each space bar in the SA-family (6.25 and 7 units). A G80-18000 space bar should be quite useful.

$3500 would be too much unless we reach unrealistically high volumes. We can do the 6u if we reach a high tier.

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 10:00

can't believe the IC is finally over... now to the fun part

simkev · 08 Feb 2013, 12:30

which kits is the final kits?
Will kit 7, 8, 9 & 10 be available in plum color to? The pricing would be the same in that case right?
I hope there are two 1u commodore keys in KIT 2 & KIT 3

daybreak365 · 08 Feb 2013, 12:33

matt3o wrote:can't believe the IC is finally over... now to the fun part

Whoo!! Let's get this started!

7bit · 08 Feb 2013, 12:40

simkev wrote:which kits is the final kits?
I hope there are two 1u commodore keys in KIT 2 & KIT 3.

Yes, right! We won't accept it if these are not there!

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 12:42

simkev wrote:which kits is the final kits?
I hope there are two 1u commodore keys in KIT 2 & KIT 3.

indeed

it's not 100% final as Melissa said something about missing legends, but anyway I'm going to remove all keys SP doesn't have the legend for (except for Commodore key), so the price can only decrease

also she didn't quote all the blank keys... today I believe they are close so we have to wait until monday, I'll set up the GB anyway in this weekend

dirge · 08 Feb 2013, 12:53

most important! As these are uniform profile can you tell Melissa to put the fucking sprue mark AT THE FUCKING BACK!

7bit · 08 Feb 2013, 12:58

Yes, the sprue mark should be at the back. They are able to do upside down text, they did it with a Caps Lock key in Round 3 (or was it Round 1?).

This will be the best key caps group buy ever!

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 13:03

dirge wrote:most important! As these are uniform profile can you tell Melissa to put the fucking sprue mark AT THE FUCKING BACK!

this is pretty important actually. I'll put a note and ask her about it when we go production.

7bit wrote:Yes, the sprue mark should be at the back. They are able to do upside down text, they did it with a Caps Lock key in Round 3 (or was it Round 1?).

Hope so, DSA seems pretty problematic.

7bit wrote:This will be the best key caps group buy ever!

oh yeah!

simkev · 08 Feb 2013, 13:49

Will kit 7, 8, 9 & 10 be available in plum color to? The pricing would be the same in that case right?

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 13:56

simkev wrote:Will kit 7, 8, 9 & 10 be available in plum color to? The pricing would be the same in that case right?

yes, price would be the same, but I'd prefer not to dilute the orders too much between colors.

Jmneuv · 08 Feb 2013, 14:25

which color code were the white legends now?

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 14:30

WA very likely

simkev · 08 Feb 2013, 15:40

matt3o wrote:
simkev wrote:Will kit 7, 8, 9 & 10 be available in plum color to? The pricing would be the same in that case right?
yes, price would be the same, but I'd prefer not to dilute the orders too much between colors.

How so? If a kit breaks the first price tier people wants it and in that case it is worth to include the kit, if not it wont be ordered. More color to the people!

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 15:51

with only one color in the "advanced group" everyone has to buy that color, hence lower price. If we reach high volumes I'm more than happy to add more options (if our US proxy agrees). I have no idea how this will go, maybe we will get just 50 orders, and in that case it is better to stick with one color (at least 50 people will be served).

simkev · 08 Feb 2013, 16:17

matt3o wrote:with only one color in the "advanced group" everyone has to buy that color, hence lower price. If we reach high volumes I'm more than happy to add more options (if our US proxy agrees). I have no idea how this will go, maybe we will get just 50 orders, and in that case it is better to stick with one color (at least 50 people will be served).

Is 50 the MOQ?

Merijn · 08 Feb 2013, 16:22

I really hope we will be able to reach the amounts for a white on blue version.

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 16:22

for standard kits 50 is a self imposed MOQ (first tier with decent price).

On advanced there's no real MOQ, I'd say would be nice to reach 25 at least, but advanced users are prone at spending a bit more I believe. So if 1 kit receives only 1 order and that person is willing to hand $100 just for it... well...

RC-1140 · 08 Feb 2013, 17:28

I’m really sorry to mess with your kits again, but could you put a second CTRL into the “1.0 mods” kit? It would be good for G80-1800’s, as they need two 1.0 unit CTRLs.

matt3o · 08 Feb 2013, 17:43

I'm sorry RC-1140 but you'll have to buy 2 kits. I know it's lame but we talked about it and there's no way to make everyone happy. consider that 1.0 mods are the less expensive of all (around $5), also you could use ctrl and hyper or meta

(consider that the numpad additional keys are just for you

)

if there's an overwhelming demand we could place back the 1.0 mods in the base kit anyway.

matt3o · 11 Feb 2013, 09:08

Look what those crazy guys at geekhack have done!

Piers Cawley · 11 Feb 2013, 10:54

Piers Cawley wrote:I can do a test of the Kinesis with sphericals using the ones I've pulled off my Maltron; Not sure they're the same profile, but should give me some idea of how things work. The default Kinesis profiles are amazing; they appear to be both column and row dependent, using profile shape to help keep the (flexible) PCB curves a wee bit more consistent than in the maltron. I shall give it a try and report back. Probably after the weekend.

Well... that was the plan, but I left the keyboard at work. Tonight!

matt3o · 11 Feb 2013, 14:05

group buy hasn't officially started but you can place an early order at http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/ and help me debug.

you can review, modify, delete it at any time. Current orders status and prices here http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/status.php

(best viewed on linux

)

7bit · 11 Feb 2013, 14:11

Looks great!

Just make sure it is one style of labeling (ALL CAPS or Camel Case).

matt3o · 11 Feb 2013, 14:13

7bit wrote:Looks great!

Just make sure it is one style of labeling (ALL CAPS or Camel Case).

you mean on keycap legends? it should be all uppercase

7bit · 11 Feb 2013, 14:18

Just sent my order!

This is a really great order-website you've set up!

matt3o · 11 Feb 2013, 14:22

thanks!

I can share it for future group buys. I plan to add connection to paypal API for invoicing and some more stats and graphs in the status page

(such as biggest contributors

)

regack · 11 Feb 2013, 15:03

That's a very nice interface you've built there. I hope there are enough buyers for those TKL kits to get the prices down

I know you said you were debugging, but will the order I put in stay, or will I have to re-enter?

Thanks matt3o!

edit:

Great, another page to hit F5 on every few minutes... and it hasn't even been up yet for that long.

How about an email notification for OCD people who want to know when the GB Status page has changed