Price Check: How much is my _____ worth?

[Eszett]

@scottc There is no demand for them, I though so.

[photekq]

Dear all,
I have placed on eBay a CHERRY G81-3000 SAU with original box and instruction with a reserve price of 320€.
I can easily affirm that is in mint condition.

Is it too much, too low?

I do thank you.

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Legends look a bit faded honestly. Do you know if it's been used at all? Might just be the photos though. 320€ is far above the western market price. Someone in Korea/China might be willing to pay that much for a BRAND NEW, NEVER USED board, but I do think 320€ is a bit too high even for them.

[BobMoz]

Legends look a bit faded honestly. Do you know if it's been used at all? Might just be the photos though. 320€ is far above the western market price. Someone in Korea/China might be willing to pay that much for a BRAND NEW, NEVER USED board, but I do think 320€ is a bit too high even for them.

Gentleman, thanks for your answer.

I do say...never ever been used.
Here is the link with relevant photos...

http://www.ebay.it/itm/Tastiera-CHERRY- ... fe=sidebar

[photekq]

Well, if it's never been used like you've said.. Those photos are doing you no favors. They make the legends look faded. Personally, I would be hesistant to bid on that.

I think the reserve is too high. Consider lowering it to around 200€.

Also, could you post the translation of the description?

[Halvar]

BobMoz: I agree with photekq: if it's brand new your current price might be worth a shot, but you need to be very lucky for it to go through. I don't think they look faded on your photo though.

Eszett: There's probably not too much demand on DT for these, but on the other hand, German sets that fit modern MX keyboards don't show up very often on ebay.de and aren't that easy to get otherwise, too. Maybe someone who ruined his own set over time or bought a blank or foreign keyboard is interested in it. You could try a buy-it-now offer for maybe about 15 to 20€ and see if someone wants it.

[photekq]

Actually, forget everything I said. The one you put up for sale previously sold for 400+€, so clearly someone is willing to pay far above what I understood to be the 'market price' ($350~ in the west, $500~ in Korea/China).

[BobMoz]

Well, if it's never been used like you've said.. Those photos are doing you no favors. They make the legends look faded. Personally, I would be hesistant to bid on that.

I think the reserve is too high. Consider lowering it to around 200€.

Also, could you post the translation of the description?

Yes gentleman, I kindly ask you to be patient until tomorrow. I will post you the translation.
I am eating now. ^_^

[BobMoz]

Actually, forget everything I said. The one you put up for sale previously sold for 400+€, so clearly someone is willing to pay far above what I understood to be the 'market price' ($350~ in the west, $500~ in Korea/China).

Yes Sir,
a greek person bid on it but in the end he refused.
The previous bidder was from China: 421€

Beg yr pardon for my english... ^_^

[Daniel Beardsmore]

So, > €400 for what amounts to a pile of dye-subbed keycaps … ?



Wouldn't someone be better off with Imsto's thick PBT caps?

[photekq]

Wouldn't someone be better off with Imsto's thick PBT caps?

It's opinion. Personally, I think that Cherry dyesubs are the ultimate keycaps I'll go to maybe $450 for a BNIB dyesub keyboard, 400€ is far too high for me though.

[Muirium]

Romans? No. These Cherry fans are the crazy ones. For that much money, I'd like a nice Topre or a beam spring keyboard as well as the caps!

[davkol]

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[acolombo]

Well, if it's never been used like you've said.. Those photos are doing you no favors. They make the legends look faded. Personally, I would be hesistant to bid on that.

I think the reserve is too high. Consider lowering it to around 200€.

Also, could you post the translation of the description?

The description says the cable is still in its envelope and the rubber feet are perfect. The plastic is white and in perfect shape, no yellowing at all. The original box and the manual are included. The shipping is insured.


Here's my interesting find:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/301246527961?ssP ... 1423.l2649

Does someone knows something about it? Is it rubber-dome or mechanical?

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Here's my interesting find:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/301246527961?ssP ... 1423.l2649

Does someone knows something about it? Is it rubber-dome or mechanical?

Judging by what little you can see of the switches under the keycaps, it appears to be this:

[wiki]Olivetti dome with slider[/wiki]

[acolombo]

Here's my interesting find:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/301246527961?ssP ... 1423.l2649

Does someone knows something about it? Is it rubber-dome or mechanical?

Judging by what little you can see of the switches under the keycaps, it appears to be this:

[wiki]Olivetti dome with slider[/wiki]

Damn, I like a lot older Olivetti keycaps, I hoped it was a Cherry one; but surely the only Olivetti with Cherry switches are the G80 ones. You have an eagle eye to have seen the sliders under the keys though! Thank you for the help

[BobMoz]

The description says the cable is still in its envelope and the rubber feet are perfect. The plastic is white and in perfect shape, no yellowing at all. The original box and the manual are included. The shipping is insured.

Acolombo, thanks for the translation. It is correct. ^_^

[BobMoz]

@Daniel...It would be better to say...Chinese are crazy! ^_^ They raised up the price till 421€!
My reserve was 320!

[BobMoz]

I am here again with another question...what is the difference between a Acer 6312-TW and Acer 6312-G (FCC ID.:GQ86311-G)? And how much could it be worth?

Here follows the identification label on the back of the keyboard:

6312-G.jpg

[pasph]

TW model has also Windows Keys
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Acer_6312
That Acer is the only kb with italian Alps compatible keycaps that i've seen

[BobMoz]

TW model has also Windows Keys
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Acer_6312
That Acer is the only kb with italian Alps compatible keycaps that i've seen

Yes, I do confirm: AT keyboard interface and no Windows keys.
Here it is:

6312-G.jpg

[kbdfr]

I would like to get back to BobMoz, who registered here to ask if the reserve price of 320€ set for a NIB Cherry G81-3000 SAU in his eBay sale is OK.

As this is a quite long and detailed posting, I'm going to use the "spoiler" function to keep it short. But please do not read only the conclusion that follows, but also the investigation steps (and links) contained in the spoiler.

Spoiler:

I wondered how many of such rare items he has, because just before listing this keyboard he had already offered and sold another NIB G81-3000 SAU.
I had a look at the completed sale, there the description said "Serial number 10912" and one of the pics showed the label with this serial number:
http://www.ebay.it/itm/Tastiera-CHERRY- ... 2591b09ce3
Then I had a look at the "new" sale, astonishingly enough there the description also says "Serial number 10912" and again one of the pics shows the label with this serial number:
http://www.ebay.it/itm/Tastiera-CHERRY- ... 1369455075
My conclusion: the first keyboard has been sold, but for some reason the transaction is not to be completed.

So again I had a look at the completed sale (I now post the link on ebay.com so as to allow all non-Italian speakers to understand what I am going to explain):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161358060771
If you click on the number of bids indicated after the winning bid, you get to a list of the bids:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 7675.l2565
Bidders are shown as a code so as to protect their identity, the highest bidder is shown as h***t (2), i.e. someone with a feedback of two.
If you bid on his name in the list, you access a 30-day summary of his bids:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... e_ViewLink
and there you see that in the last 30 days, h***t placed bids only with this same seller. It was not only for keyboard (or even computer) stuff, but also for telephone stuff.

So I had a look into the feedback record of the seller. One has to know that transaction partners are also encoded there to protect their identidy, but with a different code than that of the bid summary.
This is the feedback left for others by the seller:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... &items=100
Looking for buyers with a feedback of (2), we find several occurrences of a***t (2), and as the sales are not very old, there is even a link provided to these sales (along with the auction title), for example a "Valiglia in legno" ("wooden suitcase") or a "Radio Mivar TRAFTON I.C. (1969)".
In both cases looking into the list of the bids and then the 30-day summary of the highest bidder, one sees it is identical to that of the buyer of the first Cherry G81-3000 SAU. And in both cases, exactly like for the keyboard, the items were relisted just after the sale concluded.

I had a look at another sale won by someone else, which was not relisted. Here again I found the very same bidder:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 7675.l2565
(with the very same 30-day summary, but this sale is older and thus does not appear there).

So there is a compelling conclusion: BobMoz practices shill-bidding on his sales.
As obviously he uses even more shill-bidding accounts (if someone is interested I can demonstrate that), I would even say he practices massive shill-bidding on his sales.
And after not succeeding in reaching the highest price possible, he comes here to ask us what a correct price would be.

Perhaps I should be happy someone tries to raise market prices on G81-3000 SAU (after all, I might be tempted to sell mine at some time - but do not ask, if this happens it is already promised to someone), but I think what he deserves is at least not to get an answer.

[Muirium]

The court finds for the prosecution!



No surprise a cheating shill would turn up in forums, pointing to his sales. He's looking for the sucker who will believe his deception and pay.

[scottc]

Great detective work, kbdfr.

[Hypersphere]

Is there a way to report such wrongdoings to those who run eBay? If someone is engaging in shill-bidding, he deserves more than not getting an answer to inquiries -- he deserves to be shut down.

[Muirium]

eBay values his fees more than ethics. They're the crooks who enable this kind of rampant fraud on their site, whose reputation is beyond saving.

Mass wins.

[Halvar]

Well done!

[photekq]

Good work kbdfr. Now I definitely won't be bidding, regardless of how much I want those dyesubs

[IvanIvanovich]

I think anyone that pays more than $150 for even a NIB G81-3000SAU model is a nutjob. I still see no reason to pay more than a BSP set and no I don't give a shit about the different F J keys and the keyboard itself is next to worthless. For those that really do mind the different F J ... maybe a $20 price premium but surely no more.

[photekq]

I don't give a shit about the different F J keys.

Well, that's why. Some people do care about that. Also, side printed prt sc/pause, a spacebar, and a right shift that isn't screwed up. The price is so high due to the rarity. Lots of people want these sets, but there are so few out there. If they were as common as doubleshots I'm sure the price would be much, much lower.

(I do think 424€ is ridiculous though.)

[dyger]

What would an IBM 1397003 in overall good condition be worth?