Great/Interesting Finds

seebart · 23 Jul 2016, 19:45

It must be news to some, this thread has way more hits than most other threads here. Fun fact, club members only will be voting on this if there is an official vote.

Slom · 23 Jul 2016, 19:46

It also has way more posts that most other threads here ...

shreebles · 23 Jul 2016, 19:50

True, but it gets too many hits from "outside" people. For example, ebay sellers trying to cash in. It needs to be restricted in some way.

seebart · 23 Jul 2016, 19:52

shreebles wrote: ↑True, but it gets too many hits from "outside" people. For example, ebay sellers trying to cash in. It needs to be restricted in some way.

Agreed, the hits are disproportionate for sure. But let's not get carried away yet.

jerue · 23 Jul 2016, 19:55

Passing on this only because I have an ergodox in the mail...like new Kinesis Advantage w/wrist rests for $150 shipped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kinesis-Advanta ... 2541195037

It's about close to market price but ones that sell in this price range (e.g. 120-150 before shipping) are usually in worse shape. It's a great keyboard!

Slom · 23 Jul 2016, 20:15

shreebles wrote: ↑True, but it gets too many hits from "outside" people. For example, ebay sellers trying to cash in. It needs to be restricted in some way.

This thread: ~30 views per post
The Eliptical Kishy thread: ~40 views per post

O_o ...

seebart · 23 Jul 2016, 20:25

There you go, this thread is almost elliptical.

Slom · 23 Jul 2016, 21:45

seebart wrote: ↑There you go, this thread is almost elliptical.

Stuff you just bought ~25 ... yeah this thread is completely off the charts ... NOT

shreebles · 23 Jul 2016, 22:05

What are you trying to prove? You cannot ignore that this thread is the most viewed and most replied to in the history of DT.
And some people are getting the feeling that so many people looking at the "great finds" every day make the finds not so great anymore because suddenly everyone has access to them, with little to no effort or contribution of themselves.

Slom · 23 Jul 2016, 22:14

shreebles wrote: ↑What are you trying to prove? You cannot ignore that this thread is the most viewed and most replied to in the history of DT.
And some people are getting the feeling that so many people looking at the "great finds" every day make the finds not so great anymore because suddenly everyone has access to them, with little to no effort or contribution of themselves.

That, contrary to what people claim, it doesn't get more views (in relation to its activity) than other posts? It didn't start arguing this direction ... sorry if the facts don't support the claims.

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Can we maybe have this discussion merged into Cindys thread?

ohaimark · 23 Jul 2016, 22:32

Slom wrote: ↑That, contrary to what people claim, it doesn't get more views (in relation to its activity) than other posts? It didn't start arguing this direction ... sorry if the facts don't support the claims.

You're ignoring things like demographics and content.

For example:

Ellipse's thread is offering a new product that will be immediately compatible with modern computers. The project also appeals to the maker/hacker community. It makes sense that it would draw a wider audience than a thread dedicated to keyboards that, more often than not, require cleanup and conversion before use.

This thread draws other retrocomputing and vintage keyboard collectors who are looking for niche items. It's a much more competitive and limited group of people, so it's sensible that there would be less views.

The fact that less views occur relative to another thread doesn't change the fact that publicizing finds to the entire internet can raise prices. It also doesn't alter the fact that experienced "keyboard sleuths" with a lot of time investment in various search systems can be usurped by inexperienced users who employ larger wallets/happen to see a post first.

Slom · 23 Jul 2016, 22:42

So we can rest the argument that unproportionally many people are just viewing this thread?

What facts do you have to support your claims wrt. content and demographics?

ohaimark wrote: ↑It also doesn't alter the fact that experienced "keyboard sleuths" with a lot of time investment in various search systems can be usurped by inexperienced users who employ larger wallets/happen to see a post first.

So either they post the keyboards here themselves, or the Keyboards weren't that hard to find after all?

Prices are a completely different discussion ... more people interested => more demand => higher prices. Also more potential contributors, and maybe more pretty pictures. That collectors don't want a free market is understandable, but not something I care for

ohaimark · 23 Jul 2016, 23:00

Yes, absolutely. The demographics are more important.

A partially valid point. Some post here because they don't have a better alternative -- it's not possible for a single paying club member to keep track of every other paying club member's "Wanted" list. If I know that another club member is looking for something in particular, I send them a PM before posting here.

I'm well aware of how capitalism works. Your point doesn't stand, though. It's still a free market -- it would just make it harder for inexperienced users to find the things that experienced users post unless they pay a fee to the club or paying members decide to post in the unpaid thread. Nothing changes except that the experienced researchers get to choose whether the club is rewarded for their posts. I consider lower prices for paid club members an incidental benefit.

It's like paying an organization to perform a service, which is a part of capitalism. You could also look at it like a finder's fee.

Example: Paying a private investigator to perform a generic background check is a service. The fact that it's occurring doesn't mean that the information magically leaves the free market, it simply means that people without the resources haven't found it.

seebart · 23 Jul 2016, 23:14

Slom wrote: ↑So we can rest the argument that unproportionally many people are just viewing this thread

No, absolutely not.

Slom wrote: ↑What facts do you have to support your claims wrt. content and demographics?

I don't need any, the numbers are enough.

Slom wrote: ↑So either they post the keyboards here themselves, or the Keyboards weren't that hard to find after all?

Yes both. And like we all know plenty others take notice which was the initial purpose of OP.

Slom wrote: ↑Prices are a completely different discussion ... more people interested => more demand => higher prices. Also more potential contributors, and maybe more pretty pictures. That collectors don't want a free market is understandable, but not something I care for

No, and since your not alone here it does matter.

Chyros · 23 Jul 2016, 23:16

ohaimark wrote: ↑
Slom wrote: ↑That, contrary to what people claim, it doesn't get more views (in relation to its activity) than other posts? It didn't start arguing this direction ... sorry if the facts don't support the claims.
You're ignoring things like demographics and content.

For example:

Ellipse's thread is offering a new product that will be immediately compatible with modern computers. The project also appeals to the maker/hacker community. It makes sense that it would draw a wider audience than a thread dedicated to keyboards that, more often than not, require cleanup and conversion before use.

This thread draws other retrocomputing and vintage keyboard collectors who are looking for niche items. It's a much more competitive and limited group of people, so it's sensible that there would be less views.

The fact that less views occur relative to another thread doesn't change the fact that publicizing finds to the entire internet can raise prices. It also doesn't alter the fact that experienced "keyboard sleuths" with a lot of time investment in various search systems can be usurped by inexperienced users who employ larger wallets/happen to see a post first.

I know I'm getting off-topic, but I just want to express my admiration of Ellipse's project. I think it's amazing what he's pulled off, offering a brand-new capacitive keyboard like this. It's not a simplified design either, he went through enormous efforts to make a proper product, including a choice of colours, keycaps, layouts, etc.

If I was anywhere near as electronically apt or ambitious or confident I'd love to make a faithful remake of old keyboard switches.

seebart · 23 Jul 2016, 23:21

Absolutely, can't wait to see the final product.Also i$'s FSSK and lot_lizard's Model MF.

wobbled · 24 Jul 2016, 01:24

Not sure if you guys spotted this already but Unicomp are selling some industrial cases under their warehouse liquidation page. Just bought one!

Techno Trousers · 24 Jul 2016, 01:42

Wobbled, you're being name dropped in the Remodeling the Model M thread in Workshop. I think folks are interested in your large number of leftover industrial labels for their industrial FEXTs.

wobbled · 24 Jul 2016, 02:10

Techno Trousers wrote: ↑Wobbled, you're being name dropped in the Remodeling the Model M thread in Workshop. I think folks are interested in your large number of leftover industrial labels for their industrial FEXTs.

Oh thanks for letting me know, I'll see if they're still interested

kbdfr · 24 Jul 2016, 09:54

Same discussion again

Slom wrote: ↑
ohaimark wrote: ↑It also doesn't alter the fact that experienced "keyboard sleuths" with a lot of time investment in various search systems can be usurped by inexperienced users who employ larger wallets/happen to see a post first.
So either they post the keyboards here themselves, or the Keyboards weren't that hard to find after all?

Silly argument.
"Hard to find" does not mean that only one "eager searcher" will be able to find it and then post it here if not interested, or otherwise buy it.
I used to be one of those eager searchers who from time to time find something great/interesting. I reduced my searches a lot because of this thread being open to all. It's just useless, I can be almost sure someone else will post the rare gem or just interesting board I found. So why search at all?

As long as this thread remains open for every lurker, all those who invest a lot of time and effort in searching can expect that their investment will be made worthless by others who also do the same kind of thorough searches, but are not themselves interested in a particular item and then post it for the benefit of all those who do not even search at all - except in this thread.
It rewards the lazy and those who, like you, want everything to be available for free because, well, it's the Internet after all.

Slom · 24 Jul 2016, 10:32

kbdfr wrote: ↑Same discussion again

Slom wrote: ↑
ohaimark wrote: ↑It also doesn't alter the fact that experienced "keyboard sleuths" with a lot of time investment in various search systems can be usurped by inexperienced users who employ larger wallets/happen to see a post first.
So either they post the keyboards here themselves, or the Keyboards weren't that hard to find after all?
Silly argument.
"Hard to find" does not mean that only one "eager searcher" will be able to find it and then post it here if not interested, or otherwise buy it.
.

"So either they post the keyboards here themselves,"

ohaimark · 24 Jul 2016, 15:58

I know there is some hate for Massdrop hereabouts, but this is interesting:

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/master-con ... guest_open

Possibly a new player in dyesub caps?

romevi · 24 Jul 2016, 16:59

ohaimark wrote:I know there is some hate for Massdrop hereabouts, but this is interesting:

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/master-con ... guest_open

Possibly a new player in dyesub caps?

I saw those. The white ones are tempting.

Hak Foo · 24 Jul 2016, 18:23

It's sort of halfbaked though... they have white and they have beige, but they don't have two-tone.

Techno Trousers · 24 Jul 2016, 20:47

Hak Foo wrote:It's sort of halfbaked though... they have white and they have beige, but they don't have two-tone.

That was my first thought too. It seems rather...boring.

scottc · 24 Jul 2016, 20:59

I'd already have a set if they made them two-tone and had useful caps like off-center capslock, etc. As-is it's fairly useless except for boring stock keyboards.

ohaimark · 24 Jul 2016, 22:17

Square label Model M for a great price:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291827138859

webwit · 24 Jul 2016, 22:21

Not bad for a 9 Feb 1987.

chuckdee · 24 Jul 2016, 23:21

shreebles wrote: ↑True, but it gets too many hits from "outside" people. For example, ebay sellers trying to cash in. It needs to be restricted in some way.

Could we not prevent that thread from being indexed by the search engines? I also wouldn't be opposed to making it open only to registered users. But restricting it to members of the club seems to me, overkill.

Dra · 25 Jul 2016, 00:40