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The best way to describe it is "crisp." The sound is somewhat high pitched, but there is no key wobble.maxmalkav wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 15:38Nice combo!
How is the sound of the Matias clicks on that keyboard?
I got Matias clicky from a very early batch from 7bit and installed them on a Dell, with underwhelming results (for my taste): the sound was too high pitched, hollow and the keys felt wobbly. Maybe the Dell case was the one to blame and I am curious if I missed the real "Matias click experience".
I clicked on each key 10-20 times and all the chattering is gone. I have a Tactile Pro I put in storage for close to a year. It also had some chattering. Did the same "push each key down 10-20 times," and all the chattering is gone now.hellothere wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 15:43In my opinion, the Alps switches I've tried, excepting these black linearized switches in the Dell I'm currently typing on, are better (the blacks are too heavy for me). However, that's just an opinion. YMMV. I've also got some Alps clone switches (OA2, I think) that do feel really nice. They're just not as valuable as "real" Alps, so I haven't bothered putting them into another keyboard.
I bought new Matias switches about a year ago now and put them in three or four keyboards and I haven't seen any chattering. Matias did change the housing design for one of their switches -- not sure how long ago -- so chattering Matias switches might be a thing of the past. I have one of those older Matias Ergo keyboards and I replaced the switches with cream damped Alps because of the chattering. And because I had a lot of cream damped Alps switches
They apparently have a reputation for chattering.
Oxidation on the switches. Repeatedly hitting the key will eventually scrape the oxidation off. At least that worked for me.
They really do. You'll find conversations about Matias boards breaking down with use all over the forum. I've honestly never heard of a keyboard with Matias switches *without* chattttttttttering keys after extended typing. If anyone's been lucky, pipe up!
Box could be worth a try. Their various flavours are certainly different to scratchy old MX. Not smooth enough to woo me from Topre, or satisfyingly clicky enough to challenge Model F, but they're new, compatible and available. Haven't heard any reliabbbility issues either!apastuszak wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021, 15:45I'm really not a fan of Cherry MX style switches. I have read good things about box switches. But I am wary, since I really have not liked the MX Blue, MX Red, and MX Brown switches I have tried.
* Muscle memory. You haven't used the keyboard enough.apastuszak wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021, 15:39One thing I'm finding with this keyboard (or really any keyboard that uses the same housing as cherry MX switches) is that I make a lot more typos with this keyboard. When I plug in any Model M keyboard, my typing accuracy goes way up. Not sure if it's the keycap profile, or something else.
Topre boards are way too expensive for me.Muirium wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021, 16:46They really do. You'll find conversations about Matias boards breaking down with use all over the forum. I've honestly never heard of a keyboard with Matias switches *without* chattttttttttering keys after extended typing. If anyone's been lucky, pipe up!
I don't dislike Matias as such. But faulty switches are a niiiiiightmare. I'm sure a fair few newcomers to mech keyboards have been put off forever because of a bad first board experience.
Box could be worth a try. Their various flavours are certainly different to scratchy old MX. Not smooth enough to woo me from Topre, or satisfyingly clicky enough to challenge Model F, but they're new, compatible and available. Haven't heard any reliabbbility issues either!apastuszak wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021, 15:45I'm really not a fan of Cherry MX style switches. I have read good things about box switches. But I am wary, since I really have not liked the MX Blue, MX Red, and MX Brown switches I have tried.
What I really need to do is to type properly. I'm a 2-3 finger typist. I took typing back in high school. Maybe time to find whatver the modern equivalent is to Mavis Beacon.hellothere wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021, 18:59* Muscle memory. You haven't used the keyboard enough.apastuszak wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021, 15:39One thing I'm finding with this keyboard (or really any keyboard that uses the same housing as cherry MX switches) is that I make a lot more typos with this keyboard. When I plug in any Model M keyboard, my typing accuracy goes way up. Not sure if it's the keycap profile, or something else.
* The weighting is lighter. Keyboards that have heavier weighted switches don't activate as easily, so you can accidentally hit a key and it may not actuate.
* The actuation point is higher. If I have a high actuation point on my switches, it's easy to just brush your finger against a key to actuate it.
You should check to see if your accuracy is up AND you type more WMP on the Model M vs the MX. I bet your WPM will be lower.
I wish I could say it is muscle memory. I bought a Model M from Unicomp (the Ultra Classic). Prior to this purchase, I had never used a Model M before. My typing accuracy improved the very first time I used it. I've been using various Cherry MX style keyboards for probably the last 5-6 years and even after as long as a year of use, my typing accuracy sucks. One time on the Model M, and there was a huge difference.hellothere wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021, 18:59* Muscle memory. You haven't used the keyboard enough.apastuszak wrote: ↑16 Nov 2021, 15:39One thing I'm finding with this keyboard (or really any keyboard that uses the same housing as cherry MX switches) is that I make a lot more typos with this keyboard. When I plug in any Model M keyboard, my typing accuracy goes way up. Not sure if it's the keycap profile, or something else.
* The weighting is lighter. Keyboards that have heavier weighted switches don't activate as easily, so you can accidentally hit a key and it may not actuate.
* The actuation point is higher. If I have a high actuation point on my switches, it's easy to just brush your finger against a key to actuate it.
You should check to see if your accuracy is up AND you type more WMP on the Model M vs the MX. I bet your WPM will be lower.
Let me add a nice big tasty dollop of YMMV. Now, as it happens, I’ve used MX for years too, and Alps and Space Invaders and Topre and Model M and Model F. How do different switches affect my typing? Not much, honestly. Oh, they affect the sound and the feel of the experience, they even colour my mood. But the actual characters coming out of the thing and pouring into my computer? Same, more or less as I can tell. I mean, I’ll type longer and get more done on a keyboard that I like than a crapper I do not. But accuracy and speed? Not nearly noticeable enough to say. (Perhaps I should pull out that G81 for a spot of self abuse in the name of dodgy keyboard science someday.)apastuszak wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 06:10I've been using various Cherry MX style keyboards for probably the last 5-6 years and even after as long as a year of use, my typing accuracy sucks. One time on the Model M, and there was a huge difference.
Mu, I ceased being chocked shocked by you a long time ago
