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NathanA

22 Nov 2024, 00:25

idollar wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 16:56
NathanA wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 16:13
I'd guess that after his xwhatsit stock has been depleted,
You correctly spotted the reason why I said that I am surprised :)
I think we are talking past each other, somehow. Perhaps a language barrier issue. Not sure.

Why would you expect his xwhatsit stock to be depleted by this point? This actually does go back *exactly* to my point about "lead times". He ordered a bunch more xwhatsits when he told the factory to begin building these keyboards MONTHS ago, BECAUSE he needed to order SOMETHING...you can't make a keyboard without a controller. The xwhatsit was a "known quantity", and at the same time the Leyden Jar wasn't even ready yet! So naturally he ordered a bunch of xwhatsits. Why is this so difficult to understand?

So, yes, I am sure he still has quite a few more xwhatsits to burn through. Not surprising in the least.

Your complaint appears to boil down to, "I can't believe that Ellipse didn't use this thing that didn't exist until 5 minutes ago." Which is absurd. (Obviously the "5 minutes" part is hyperbole. But you get the point.)
idollar wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 16:56
I would not go for one of Ellipse's keyboards which are based on xwhatsit controllers just to empty his stock.
If I would have to do it, I would replace the controller. This cost would add to the $399+shipping.
That makes sense for you and your priorities. I guess it's good that different people have different needs, and prioritize different things. The majority of the build cost of this keyboard is not in the controller being used. I think that much is obvious. I would guess that people who are buying these keyboards now are doing so because they are in the market for something that literally doesn't exist anywhere else: a Model F with an IBM Enhanced Keyboard layout and form-factor, in a metal enclosure. If you have the luxury of putting off your purchase indefinitely until the controller changes, and you do so because you put so much value on the controller being used, then that's perfectly valid. Others would apparently rather have their keyboards sooner than that.
idollar wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 22:53
A nice way to state that it is stock related :)
????

Ellipse is confirming exactly what I suspected: he had a manufacturing lead time issue that required him to order controllers before Leyden Jar was ready. Now he has to use them.
idollar wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 22:53
BTW: do you ship your keyboards Firmware VIAL ?
Yes, he is shipping them with Vial. (Only "VIA" is capitalized. "Vial" is not.)
idollar wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 22:53
My xwhatsit ended up without memory when I tried to compile VIAL on them
I am aware of this issue. I built the firmwares that Ellipse is loading onto these keyboards. I had to jump through some hoops to make it work. Memory limitation in xwhatsit's Atmel micro definitely makes it difficult, and does add limitations.
idollar wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 22:53
The first thing that I noticed when installing (Rico's) RP2040 Leyden Jar was its speed. It is noticeble faster.
Yes, we are all aware of the difference between the xwhatsit and Leyden Jar in terms of the microprocessor being used. But I am confused: are you saying you experience typing lag with xwhatsit? I have personally never seen this.
idollar wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 22:53
[...] I was surprised to read that AVR-xwhatsit keyboards are sold at the end of 2024.
Chronological fallacy.
idollar wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 22:53
Well done Rico. Respect !
Yes, agreed. I too think Rico has done an amazing job. I'm not arguing otherwise; nobody is. And I am very much looking forward to a future full of capacitive keyboards driven by Leyden Jars.

What we are talking about right here, right now are hard, practical, real-world realities.
idollar wrote:
21 Nov 2024, 23:12
Basically one can enable all VIAL options:
From your list, here are the features my Vial firmwares for xwhatsit currently support:

Layers (3)
Macros (16)
Tap dances (4)
Combos (4)
Mouse Keys
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22 Nov 2024, 00:49

NathanA wrote:
22 Nov 2024, 00:25

Your complaint appears to boil down to, "I can't believe that Ellipse didn't use this thing that didn't exist until 5 minutes ago." Which is absurd. (Obviously the "5 minutes" part is hyperbole. But you get the point.)
Apologies, I do not get the point. Please, do not put words in my mouth. I wrote what I wanted to state.

1.- I said that I am surprised to read that these keyboards are sold with an xwhatsit controller. I expected to find the Leyden Jar on them. I have not complained. How may I complain about something that I did not buy ? I just expressed surprise.
2.- I added that I would not buy a modern model-f which is based on the old xwhatsit. In the later, "I" = "I".

I will stop this conversation here. It does not make sense to continue.
I guess that we that we disagree ;)

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22 Nov 2024, 00:55

Error/Mistake --- disregard
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22 Nov 2024, 00:56

Error/Mistake - disregard

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