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lot_lizard
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04 Aug 2016, 02:13
I'm not 100% certain, but confident enough to avoid it myself. I can contact Joan (still runs the outfit after Bob "retired") if you like and ask. There were only a couple of players in that space at the time. I wouldn't assume the pictures you are finding are actual IBM caps btw, even if from Ripster. No one is suggesting it isn't a nice board, I just personally believe the caps are aftermarket based on font deviations (only IBM has full access to their font, and their variances during the M era typically revolved around weight, not face). I have a couple Hooleon boards packed away, and the font faces have a striking similarity.
But again... Could be wrong. Hence the "smells" comment previously. Just adding awareness
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04 Aug 2016, 02:32
lot_lizard wrote: ↑ I'm not 100% certain, but confident enough to avoid it myself. I can contact Joan (still runs the outfit after Bob "retired") if you like and ask. There were only a couple of players in that space at the time. I wouldn't assume the pictures you are finding are actual IBM caps btw, even if from Ripster. No one is suggesting it isn't a nice board, I just personally believe the caps are aftermarket based on font deviations (only IBM has full access to their font, and their variances during the M era typically revolved around weight, not face). I have a couple Hooleon boards packed away, and the font faces have a striking similarity.
But again... Could be wrong. Hence the "smells" comment previously. Just adding awareness
@ and ~ look more like my XT's legends than the two Ms I have. ~ on ebay board looks different though (possibly different or just bad pic?).
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04 Aug 2016, 03:24
I recently sorted a big bag of original IBM caps, all from the 1980s and early 1990s, and was shocked at the differences that I found in the legends - weight (individual keys or collectively as sets), location (some legends were so deep into the top left corners that they were practically over the edges), not to mention at least half a dozen colors of sub-legends.
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04 Aug 2016, 04:28
The way I usually tell if they are real APL is if "APL" is on the front of the Backspace key. Is missing from this one and Ripster's too actually. Anyone have a known true example of model M or F APL caps that does not have "APL" on the backspace key?
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lot_lizard
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04 Aug 2016, 22:36
fohat wrote: ↑I recently sorted a big bag of original IBM caps, all from the 1980s and early 1990s, and was shocked at the differences that I found in the legends - weight (individual keys or collectively as sets), location (some legends were so deep into the top left corners that they were practically over the edges), not to mention at least half a dozen colors of sub-legends.
Agreed, there are quite a few variations and exceptions, this 3178 F of mine is a good example with it's smaller off centered legends:
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Rimrul
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04 Aug 2016, 22:42
I'm 90% certain it's a G81.
The non-yellowed caps could indicate PBT dye subs.
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04 Aug 2016, 22:50
Wow, that's beautiful. Someone should run a spherical key cap group buy based on that color scheme.
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04 Aug 2016, 23:03
Indeed awesome caps and nice color scheme. Not cheap though.
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04 Aug 2016, 23:24
Yes. DE dyesubs on that one
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05 Aug 2016, 00:06
Looks like a G81-3081SAD to me.
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05 Aug 2016, 00:21
Those look like dyesubs to me.. I want!
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05 Aug 2016, 02:12
crazy looking dyesubs....what are they? hard to tell from far apart...
Also, congrats to whoever got this Tandem 1191 HBU for less than $50, of course it was listed while I was taking a nap
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-TANDEM- ... 1928832316
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05 Aug 2016, 18:49
Fixed that for you
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05 Aug 2016, 18:54
kbdfr wrote: ↑
Fixed that for you
Aww...come on kbdfr, show us some nice 66% TKL Tipro clones.
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05 Aug 2016, 20:52
Just noticed it's missing a led as well (Pause/Break I guess).
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06 Aug 2016, 03:47
orihalcon wrote: ↑The way I usually tell if they are real APL is if "APL" is on the front of the Backspace key. Is missing from this one and Ripster's too actually. Anyone have a known true example of model M or F APL caps that does not have "APL" on the backspace key?
I have two sets (one from an F122 and one from an M), and both would have APL on the backspace. The only other variation of the APL key I have seen is on the F8 key on an Unsaver, but it didn't have APL caps throughout the board. Pic to help those who haven't seen.
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06 Aug 2016, 14:47
I have bought these that had ABS caps and not PBT, so don't count on PBT as a "sure thing"
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06 Aug 2016, 15:24
fohat wrote: ↑
I have bought these that had ABS caps and not PBT, so don't count on PBT as a "sure thing"
Yep. I've seen these with ABS double shots as well.
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07 Aug 2016, 04:26
fohat wrote: ↑
I have bought these that had ABS caps and not PBT, so don't count on PBT as a "sure thing"
I believe you need to get the original Alps-manufactured AT101, with the FCC ID: GYI3PVAT101.
This is a pretty good deal, Apple Adjustable Keyboard + Keypad (Alps SKFS), also comes with short ADB cable to bridge the boards and a mouse, $28 shipped.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/M1242-Vintage-A ... 1703487788